Assault Against the 2nd Amendment

We should not remove the guns. We just need to 100% of the time take the WHOLE lead up to the situation into the case. Not "did you feel threatened when you pulled the trigger". I dont understand the issue people have with "WALKING AWAY FROM THE FIGHT". Why do we NEED laws that you get to be tough and stay there till your life is in danger from doing that, then are justified in shooting.

 

Because most Mass Shooters die. Of those who survive, many plead out or get institutionalized on an insanity plea. 5 this year so far, 1 was taken alive. Last year, of the 613? A few handfuls were taken alive. While on that? A data point that shocked me. Of the 613? I know that because of the source. Most killed themselves. Of the 10 that were killed by "not themselves" or were not taken alive? 9 shot by cop. 1 by 'bystander with a gun'. 0.316% of shootings were stopped by "A good civilian with a gun". 1.5% by cops with one.

Again, before my time at that office. On Bernie? By about 17 years. I know people from his TOTAL BS drug charge though. BTW? I dont think that Goetz should have been prosecuted. If I was the DA with control of that case? I would have offered a deal for sure. Something like Justifiable under SD. Offer probation. Or some such. So he did not go free and clear (give one side the bone), but the punishment is also not jail (the other side theirs). And as long as he does not do shit for a few years? Write in an expunge clause where he has no record at all. I wrote in expunges a lot on anything I plead out for probation. "Serve it out, BEHAVE THE WHOLE TIME, and it never happened".

But back to the major issue we are arguing. If the law reads "Obligation to retreat" that does not mean "unless you dont want to". The moment you "stand your ground" you violated Self Defense. The part many Conservatives that dont like OTR laws forget is the 2nd part. If you "retreat" and they continue to press? It is now SELF DEFENSE. "Standing your Ground" in Non SYG states are not. But the moment you show you attempted to retreat and were not allowed to? Most DAs will say "Good enough for me". But store clerk not wanting to give them the money is not that. Trust me that every DA in NYC disagrees with the Clerk being stabbed shooting a guy charges being BS in private. What I have been told by people at that office? There was a plea offered like I said above. A sweet deal. And the Judge nixed it. Not the DA. The DA did not WANT to follow the law. But was also not F'ing with his license to make a statement and throw a case with a judge set on this trial happening. That judge was the kind that would nitpick and put in for sanctions if he thought a DA threw a case.

 

No point in arguing with her. Her opinions are carved in stone, by someone else. No amount of talking will change her mind. She asks for proof, you give it to her, and she still believe her opinion. Even in cases where she can't deny the evidence saying she's wrong, in a week or two, she completely forgets the evidence and goes right back to her argument. After repeating yourself five or six times, it's best just to ignore her.

 

Lian, the only reason we keep this thread open is for comic relief.

 

Totally ignoring the fact that in every democratic country, urban dwellers are more inclined to be liberal and rural dwellers conservative?

Twist what you've got to suit your position.

(For the record, I'm a rural dwelling liberal with a gun )

 

That is why the "Duty to Retreat" (the media talking heads complaining about it never add the second part) says, pretty clearly "and if you attempted to retreat? And they persue? It is self defense then. But you MUST first attempt to retreat FIRST".

But I will go back to stores where this all started. Want to "protect" your people? Open air countertops are not the way. Put a barrier. Like bank glass. It costs MONEY. But stops a lot too.

 

Walgreens is closing locations because for the 4th time in 10 years they got nailed at State and Federal levels on Wage Theft violations and got hit with MASSIVE FINES recently. They have a horrid business model and do not follow laws. You know how many time I have scared the shit out of pharmacy techs when I pick up Red's Xanax for her and they dont even ask me for ID? (I kept my old NYC DA badge, they let me. Would never use it to actually impersonate). I flash it when they dont ask for ID and tell them "Retired. But if I was not you would be SCREWED 8 ways. You just gave me a SCHEDULED FEDERAL DRUG with no ID.". Walgreens keeps doing whatever they please and act shocked when they get massive fines.

 

You live in Ohio. The state where a cop LITERALLY STOLE WHILE INVESTIGATING. Yes he got fired. Yes he spent a SHORT TIME in jail for it. Then, when sued? State top to bottom courts and all Federal Courts Sixth Circuit up to the SCOTUS? Ruled that "Because there is no specific decision that says you have a RIGHT TO NOT HAVE POLICE STEAL FROM YOU WHILE INVESTIGATING" I shit you not that was the justification, no ruling that you have a right for cops not to steal from you made by a Court before QI, "QI applies. He was on duty and is therefore IMMUNE from being sued directly.". This was AFTER HE WAS FIRED AND JAILED. He had not been a cop for over 12 months, STOLE FROM SOMEONE, and the court ruled "well he was a cop at the time..........". Maybe if people had made noise and done something about that? People would trust the cops and crime would drop. I guarantee it. Know where the lowest crime areas are? Where the WITNESSES HELP THE COPS. Know where they are the highest? WHere everyone says "I didnt see nothing!" because they have no trust in the cops, due to things like QI. And I am not talking about bangers. I am talking about guys in suits who work in banks and offices saying they saw nothing because they dont trust the cops either. The crux of the crime problem is "Police need to be given the benefit of the doubt in all actions!" and "We did an internal, confidential investigation. No wrong doing!" makes people not trust cops. That makes them not help. That makes crime harder to stop and investigate and by proxy easier to commit. Factor in, using NYPD as an example, "Slow down" tantrums if they are anything but WORSHIPPED by the City Council and Mayor. Truth is crime is a mix of criminals. A general public who is losing faith in PDs that seem more worried about their "brothers in blue" than stopping crime in a way that sticks. It is coming out that there may have been LEGIT complaints about this Scorpion Squad that were swept under the rug to protect the Unit. And Police who throw fits if they are not "properly respected" and are protected between "Confidential Dicipline" that rarely results in termination and QI that lets them do as they please and not get sued.

 

Thank you Buffy, that's exactly the problem. Up here, nobody trusts the cops.
Their motto, to serve and protect, is perfect. It's their sworn and solemn duty to serve and protect their own best interests.