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Help recall Gavin Newsom (California Governor)

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Curmudgeon, Jan 2, 2021.

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  1. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Land belongs to the state. If you pay prop taxes? You do not own it outright. Do that and it gets to the watertable below? You are in deep legal crap.
     
    buffyfan, Sep 8, 2021
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  2. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    You are so right and spot on, even in the most capitalistic country in the world, no individual citizen "owns" anything.
    Even the shirt on your back can be used in evidence against you if you were to burn it where it caused any damage
    or inconvenience to someone else.
     
    Dane, Sep 9, 2021
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  3. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    There is a legal difference on whether a property owner has full rights to the land that they own. In California there is a legal process that you go through to gain those rights to the land you own. Just buying the land is not enough, you must go through a procedure to claim all the benefits. I can't remember the actually legal term, it is a simple procedure but very tedious. And I think you still have to pay property tax but the you have mineral rights to the land, which includes water.
     
    Neophyte, Sep 10, 2021
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  4. Dane

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    If you have to pay taxes on land, if you don't pay your taxes it is taken away, you have no say in the matter.
    Hence, you rent your land from the state/county/municipality, you don't own it.

    Purchasing land is a uni-lateral contract. You only posses it and partially control it only if you continue
    to pay for it.
     
    Dane, Sep 10, 2021
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  5. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Neophyte, Sep 11, 2021
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    Neophyte, Sep 14, 2021
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  7. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    On news this morning;

    Recall attempt failed.
    Newsom stays in office.
     
    Dane, Sep 15, 2021
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  8. aniceguy4sure

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    Land ownership is not absolute. The government - federal, state or local - can take it “for the greater good.” The owner must be compensated fairly and has rights to appeal if they feel the government’s offer is not enough. A local vet lost his building to our state DOT for a road widening project. They paid him $600,000 but he demanded $1 million. They finally settled.
     
    aniceguy4sure, Sep 15, 2021
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  9. aniceguy4sure

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    I’m conservative but I don’t believe in ousting duly elected officials without a vote of the populace.
     
    aniceguy4sure, Sep 15, 2021
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  10. Dane

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    It was done with the standard voting system of the populace with a simple 51% or higher majority the winner.

    Mail-ins have yet to be tallied. But we all know how that's probably already determined.
     
    Dane, Sep 15, 2021
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  11. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Best way to explain it is that you own the land, as long as you pay taxes. But you do own everything on it (Structures). The government though, can attach liens if you dont pay the taxes and force sale. They get theirs and depending on local law either you or the government get the difference.
     
    buffyfan, Sep 18, 2021
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  12. MilaHot

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    Its kinda weird. If you bought a terrain, it should be yours even if the government wants it. You paid for it, its yours. Some things are weird xD
     
    MilaHot, Sep 18, 2021
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  13. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    Right 100%.

    But if you really want to think in the long run, not one of us "owns" anything.
    We can hold it or possess it for a while, but in the end, it goes to someone else no matter what. (Souls excepted).
     
    Dane, Sep 18, 2021
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  14. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    So what he refers to is called Emmenent Domain. If the government needs to expand a highway? Or redirect one? Build a new one. Need to expand a river wider? They can force buy the land for "market". The problem is the government, often, (and to my PROFIT at least every 2 years) lowball. Say they need your 5 acres. 5 acres "market" would be 750k. Government's concept of market is usually more like 110k. They figure no one will fight it. The problem is a USSC ruling. That "Government need" CAN include "better tax revenue". So they can ED a whole 4 square block area of housing because......... a business there like a manufacturer? Or a MALL would generate higher PROP taxes paid plus sales tax too.
     
    buffyfan, Sep 18, 2021
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  15. Conservative_dad

    Conservative_dad Trusted.Member

    If you watch the series, Yellowstone with Kevin Costner its theme pretty much deals with how government encroaches on private land of a rancher and the corruption involved. It is a drama series and a lot of heavy handed dealing. Also throw in big businesses with the help government to encroach also.
     
    Conservative_dad, Sep 19, 2021
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