Were the Nazi's Socialist

But don't ever forget Fred how close they came to winning that war or the damage that they did before it was ended , Lest We Forget .

 

They did make a couple of good cars. VW and (future) Porsche.

 

Ideology of the Nazis was state centered socialism and some what of communist.

 

Much of their policy was socialist in nature, not communist but definately socialist.

They wanted the public to be dependent on the govt/ brought the means of production under govt control (they didnt own the factory but they ordered the owner to provide x number of widgets every x number of time)

Not all forms of socialism assume communism or community, some socialism is government forced socialism....whitch is what nazi fascism was

 

You would have to be brain dead to be unaware of this trend. Also VERY interesting that these same people run around in black outfits with black masks and proclaim to be ANTIFA. Reminds me of ISIS soldiers and Nazi SS stormtroopers/gestapo.

 

I ran across the following post on another forum and instantly thought of this thread. I thought Somme of you might like to read it.

 

It's ironic that you should say "Somme" Jillicious, and mention/quote something about Adolf. For it was the Somme that was where Adolf was in his 1st War when he was in the 18th BRIR (Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment) during the 1st World War when he was wounded in his left shoulder (unfortunately not between his eyes).

Perhaps you meant to say: "Some" instead?

 

Yeah, that was a typo.

 

Or as Freud would say (paraphrased), "a subconscious slip of the finger".

 

What brings this whole problem into being is that it is seen from the pieces on the chessboard, and not from the higher level of what we may call the players.

Pope Pius XI and his Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli in the late 1930s were determined that at a time when the Church was being persecuted by Communist and Socialist regimes from the Soviet Union to Mexico and later Spain, no accommodation was to be reached with them, while they were open to collaboration with totalitarian movements and regimes of the Right which we call Fascist.

Every Catholic who believes that the apparitions of the Virgin occurring since the 13th century are genuine manifestations from the higher level, and remember that every member of the Catholic clergy is a believer from the Pope down, will therefore act on instructions passed from Our Lady. At Fatima in 1917 the Virgin predicted the Second World War which "would be worse than the First as a direct consequence of the non-reconversion to Christianity of Russia." At Tuy, Spain in 1929, the Virgin predicted the immense damage that Russia would do humanity by abandoning the Christian faith and embracing Communist totalitarianism.

From that one is left to infer that if there was going to be a Second World War against Bolshevism , then there had to be opponents fighting the Russians. Accordingly from the outset Nazi Germany was the candidate for this great struggle. From the point of view of the Higher Powers, the only heroes in this war were going to be the Germans, annexed willing States and the Axis. Those who sided with the Communists, namely Britain, France and the United States, were "those who sided with the Communists" and make of that what you will.

The Germans and the Axis failed in their task by reason of the weight of numbers against them, but those who are able to see history and future history from a combined military-religious standpoint will understand that the original purpose of the Second World War has not been concluded, and that its time is near.

I am quite happy to discuss this matter further and answer questions but these, if any, should be addressed to me by private message.

 

I believe you are correct on both the historical context and the theological context. The two are intertwined, though most of the world can't see or accept this. The near future will show that WWII was a continuation towards the end times. The end time events are a culmination of what was started originally by Napoleon, progressed by WWI, and then Hitler and WWII.
One can say that that could include Ganges Kahn, et al. But it can't. The onset of the industrial age had to happen first. The 1800's was the very earliest of that onset.

 

Dane211 I am very impressed by your level of insight.
I have set it all out in full on another website where they are so flabbergasted that I have had no comments in reply. If you are interested I will let you have the address, contact me by private mail (conversation).

 

Nazis were socialists but not communist, how ever these things are always matters of degrees rather than binary. They had a big focus on ordering all the resources of the state and nation for the improved strength and well being of the nation. The latter makes them socialist/ the former makes them nationalist.

To maximize the benift to their group they sought the exclusion of what they saw as anyone to benift others outside thier group, hence the racism and murder.

 

Right then...

So I did my best to stay out of all this... personally, I find more often than not, that both sides know something, and both don't know a WHOLE lot, yet somehow, I'm... not even sure how to describe it... mad that this debate even exists...(?)

So I did... I know you were not referring to me, but I took the statement to heart...

Okay, I think it's best to start from the top, starting with the title of the thread: Were the Nazi's Socialist?

Socialism: Generally, referring to the state ownership of common property or state ownership of the means of production. (paraphrased from University of Idaho, English 258 lecture notes on Capitalism Defined)

With that in mind, let's take a look at the operations and functions of the Nazi system, specifically how they propagated the available "resources".

I think the big confusion comes from the actual name "Nazi" sources from, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Yes there is historical precepts as an insult, but that's a mute point when looking at the bigger picture.

Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the party’s conspicuous use of the term “socialist”, which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum, has long been a source of confusion, not to mention heated debate among partisans seeking to distance themselves from the genocidal taint of Nazi Germany.

Although the terms “left” and “right” as used in American politics can be somewhat less than clear-cut, they are helpful in defining the basic ideological divide between liberalism/progressivism (as embodied mainly by the Democratic Party) on one side (“the left”), and conservatism/traditionalism (as embodied mainly by the Republican Party) on the other (“the right”). Seen as a spectrum or continuum of ideologies, socialism/communism traditionally falls on the far left end of this scale, nationalism/fascism on the far right.

The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum; but if it can be successfully argued that it’s really a form of socialism, it would make more sense to place it on the far left. That being the case, it’s becoming more and more common to encounter insistent polemics like this one published on the right-wing blog UFP News:

"The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today."

However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.

The National Socialists completely ignored socialism’s primary aim (replacing the existing class-based society with an egalitarian one in which workers owned the means of production) and substituted their own topsy-turvy agenda. Historian Richard J. Evans writes, “replacing class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader”:

'The “National Socialists” wanted to unite the two political camps of left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism, borrowing much of its rhetoric in the process, from its self-image as a movement rather than a party, to its much-vaunted contempt for bourgeois convention and conservative timidity.'

The proof was in the pudding. Not long after acquiring the reins of power, the Nazis banned the Social Democratic Party and sent its leaders and other leftists identified as threats to the National Socialist program to concentration camps. According to the Holocaust Encyclopedia:

"In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany. Nearly all organized opposition to the regime had been eliminated. Democracy was dead in Germany."

Despite continuing certain Weimar-era social welfare programs, the Nazis proceeded to restrict their availability to “racially worthy” (non-Jewish) beneficiaries. In terms of labor, worker strikes were outlawed. Trade unions were replaced by the party-controlled German Labor Front, primarily tasked with increasing productivity, not protecting workers. In lieu of the socialist ideal of an egalitarian, worker-run state, the National Socialists erected a party-run police state whose governing structure was anti-democratic, rigidly hierarchical, and militaristic in nature. As to the redistribution of wealth, the socialist ideal “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” was rejected in favor of a credo more on the order of “Take everything that belongs to non-Aryans and keep it for the master race.”

Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. Despite co-opting the name, some of the rhetoric, and even some of the precepts of socialism, Hitler and party did so with utter cynicism, and with vastly different goals. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

So to answer the original question presented in the title of the thread:

No, Nazis are not socialists but a rather extreme and brutal form of nationalism using terms and words of socialist ideas to cover and dampen the standards of operations throughout their system.

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ps. "... A purely socialist state would be one in which the state owns and operates the means of production. However, nearly all modern capitalist countries combine socialism and capitalism.

The University of Idaho, and any other public school or university, is a “socialist” institutions, and those who attend it or work for it are partaking in socialism, because it is owned and operated by the state of Idaho. The same is true of federal and state highways, federal and state parks, harbors etc." -Quoted from University of Idaho

 

Someone who believes the Nazis were socialist is probably stupid enough to also believe the DPRK is democratic, works for the people, and is actually a republic.