Trans in women's sports, is it fair?

How many trans men compete in men's sports?
None, because they know that they have no hope of winning against biological males!
Always the other way round because the trans women know they have an advantage over biological females!!

 

NO! It is NOT fair. I support Riley Gaines (Barker).

 

They need to have 1 Olympics where there is NO GENDER....
100m sprints.... Shotput... Tennis..... EVERYTHING!!! No gender, just qualies etc.
Im 100% sure that ALL finals will be males only.
After that i think the debate will be a mute topic lol

They should have "Males, Females and at push, another Cat for everything else.

 

It’s not fair at all!

 

Not fair at all

 

Even with long term HRT, biological males , on average, still have a 10%-12% competitive advantage over female athletes according to studies if I remember correctly.

In addition, why isn't the reverse true? Why don't we see women who transition to being men competing at the same levels as biological men if hormone replacement therapy erases differences in gender?

 

My short onest opinion would be to give them a category of there own were men would have the chance to join in and if the trans participant wins they get bragging rights. Seems like a win win to me.

 

For me its simple, if trans people can change their gender category in sport then they should just let everybody compete together without genders category

 

Possibly slightly off topic, but for the sake of clarification for future readers I'm going to correct a statement you made in a previous post (as both a physician and an A&P professor). You stated: and there are women with a Y chromosome. (occasionally with either klinefelter syndrome and turner syndrome). When there are failures of meiosis during gamete development, it's possible to have 2 or 0 copies of an allele instead of the usual 1 - making the total either 1 (a monosomy) or 3 (a trisomy) at fertilization. When this happens with the 23rd pair (the sex chromosomes) it's possible to end up with only the X (X0 - Turner's) or 2 X (XXY - Kleinfelter's) or (XXX - Triple X). The specific driving factor for male differentiation is a region on the Y known as the SRY (sex determining region of the Y). Without this present, the same embryological tissues that would become testes had this been present become ovaries instead. So, because this is absent in Turner's, there is no such thing as a biological male with Turner's, and because this is present in Kleinfelter's, there is no such thing as a biological female with Kleinfelter's. There are physiological differences commonly related to these conditions, and you're free to read about them using the following links. By the way, if you're wondering why there is no condition related to a Y monosomy, it's because the size of an allele is related to the amount of genetic coding it carries. The Y is the smallest because it's carrying the least information, and without the information carried in the much larger X, the zygote/embryo/fetus isn't viable.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/turner-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20360782
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/klinefelter-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20353949
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/triple-x-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20350977

 

The actual truth is nobody really knows if its fair or not, this is all new ground and this argument is going to go around in circles until enough data can be gathered and analysed to make a decisive conclusion... so where do you compromise?... neither side is willing to do so but may i suggest my idea is to create a trans governing board/body for all individual sports (team sports different kettle of fish), for the next five years you allow trans women to compete in their own divisions, collecting constant data over this period where you analyse the top biological female performance records and compare that data with trans female performances in all categories and competitions... after doing this you have clear data to tell whether its fair or not, if the difference in performance levels is marginal then there's no reason not to merge the divisions but if indeed the data shows massive disparity then it would show the "its unfair" crowd were right...

Team sports completely different, you could have a rule like they used to have in European soccer with the foreigners rule where you could only field a certain number of foreign born players on a team, the rest had to be born in the country your team is from... in soccer 11 players from each team take the field, if you had a rule that you could field up to four trans women max on the field at one time, per team, the other 7 places being reserved for biological females then demographically speaking the percentage of trans women to biological women in these sports this should be ample representation. 2/3rds biological women and 1/3rd trans women on team sports...

but as i said totally different for individual sports as it seems like a no brainer to me that extensive data needs to be collected before fully allowing it, athletics boards could definitely create spaces for trans women but they would have to understand that data needs to be collected and analysed for the next few years before they can be fully integrated into female sports... this should be a happy compromise for now to finally get this argument out of the way and we can move on because its like a wheel, just keeps going round and round...

 

No, they should never be allowed. They are stronger than most women.

 

No. While some sports arnt physical any physical sport should have a separator male or female team so that the competition is fair and enjoyable for both genders.

 

just a thought on this.. I remember many stories of how some girl played on the male football team in the US... as there is no female football team. This was a big deal and viewed as a positive. I wonder what is the real value of not having a uni-sex sport events ( female/male all welcome) given the concerns of trans women in sports? All the talk that we are all equal in everything.. seems that would help as competing in such an event would help give some perspective.

 

I am not sure about NFL, I just know I have see this is high school sports. I get why we people have issue trans-women in a female competitive sports. There are a lot of questions about this and I don't disagree with them. I do however this that if people will make a large stink about allowing a trans-person to be in the sport with the gender they identify with we might need to have a third inclusive group to all both side to compete with each other. There is nothing wrong with letting everyone participate, The question to some degree is how we do this

 

Is that true of the NBA... what have a WNBA then? I agree with what you are saying... a lot of this is about ignoring biology to make use feel better about us a people. The main theme of my comments are that people like to play sports and having something people can relate to is good. Is it profitable, or cost effective?? well that is different.