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Russian propaganda

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Lian, Mar 6, 2024.

  1. Akbloke

    Akbloke Ex Pig-Fixer "Videmus Agamis"

    And in Moskovie, all newspapers and television which gives a different view to what Bad Vladimir wants you to believe have been shut down. That is not freedom of the press. It was the same under Nazi Germany just before and during WW2, or as the Moskovie called it, the Great patriotic War, which it could not have won without the Allies help.
     
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  2. vladislav

    vladislav Trusted Member

    Freedom is another word for loneliness. Freedom is a myth - there is only limited freedom, somewhere to a greater extent, somewhere to a lesser extent. As an example, there is a forum where we have a dialogue with you.
     
  3. borabora

    borabora Moderator Staff Member

    Could be... if you live and think about life - in Magnitogorsk... Poor Russia is at the moment lonely -
    not many "friends" available...
    All because that tiny liliputin policy of war...
     
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  4. vladislav

    vladislav Trusted Member

    Yes, l am the population of this city, i do not accept your sarcasm about this. 2. Lf you think that you have so many friends ...don t kid yourself....The will betray you as soon as they feel no benefit - They are unreliable .The discussion is over.
     
  5. Athenea

    Athenea Some dream of a beautiful world, others create it. Staff Member

    When we speak of freedom we can never speak of absolute freedom, because to live in society is to renounce a little of your freedom, a renunciation that is imposed by laws and whose purpose is to allow people to live together on a daily basis. Attempts in history to live in absolute freedom have always been a complete failure, all attempts to create societies with anarchy always impose their law on the strongest people. It is not a problem to give up a part of one's freedom if in exchange we get a secure coexistence. But the difference is when you give up a part of your freedom to achieve a greater goal such as coexistence, which is a characteristic of democracies, and when you are forced to give up all your freedoms so that the dictator can impose his law by force and fear, as is the case in dictatorships.
     
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  6. vladislav

    vladislav Trusted Member

    In a capitalist society ( in Russia the same capitalism as yours) ,there is only one dictatorship ,this is the dictatorship of capital, money rules world .Be under the illusion that the dictator-capital in your country is more humane that in Russia.
     
  7. Athenea

    Athenea Some dream of a beautiful world, others create it. Staff Member

    I beg to differ but I cannot accept the comparison between Russia and my country. You cannot compare a democracy with a dictatorship and Russia is a dictatorship, the proof of that is in fact in the last elections, an absurd act and a waste of time for the citizens. All the opposition has been killed and those who are presenting themselves as Putin's opponents were all Putin's chosen candidates. They all knew the outcome of the election before the vote. That is a real dictatorship disguised in the imaginary garb of a democracy.

    I also disagree with comparing the capitalism of my country with the false capitalism of Russia, because Russia being a clear and forceful dictatorship, it is the government that controls the companies and the proof is when Putin distributed the companies among his friends so that his friends would be immensely rich and thus ensure their loyalty. In my country, like other countries in Europe, the tendency of governments is that monopolies do not exist (in Russia they do) and that different companies can compete for the benefit of citizens, while at the same time reducing their share in companies.

    I do not have any concrete illusions, only the reality that in my country, as in other European countries, there is no brutal capitalism as the maximum expression as the companies were in the Industrial Revolution and that only money is important, because to counteract that purpose, there are trade unions and workers' rights.

    For all these reasons I cannot accept and I strongly reject the comparison of Russia with my country.
     
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  8. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    Russia is an oligarchy, a state ruled by a few elites, the mob and Putin. Its a terrorist state, a thug state, favoring brutality and murder over democracy and freedom. It is a state built on lies and deception, maintained by brutality, lies and unjust wars to 'focus on the enemy abroad', to keep the focus away from the REAL troubles.
     
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  9. vladislav

    vladislav Trusted Member

    These are not your thoughts ,these are patterns. Takeoff your pink glasses from your nose , work with your mind , try to get out of -matrix-.You ll see capitalism lt s all the same (the USSR was different). As for the future the USSR s no more and your govemment no longer need to pay attention to trade unions and workers .Example france -yellow vests . And this is only the beginning of illusions about imaginary democracy and freedom.
     
  10. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    Russian tv keeps saying "kill thrm all, destroy their cities, let them freeze". Amd they say they are the good guys
     
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  11. Athenea

    Athenea Some dream of a beautiful world, others create it. Staff Member

    Yes, it's true, I have pink glasses, and pink is my favourite colour :)

    Although I always like to learn, I wouldn't say that I don't know how capitalism works, because I run a company and I have friends who also run companies. For all this, I find it very bold of you to tell me that those are not my thoughts, although I imagine that those words must be comforting for you, because they still allow you to live in your particular matrix, where others have no thoughts and we are just puppets in the hands of a government and a savage capitalism, without any freedom and programmed as computers to serve as slaves to the government. That is your reality, that is the reality of Russia, but it is not the reality of other countries, including mine.

    You cannot seriously say that a government has absolute power, because there are two circumstances besides laws that limit power, the first would be elections and the second would be the freedom of any citizen to create their own political party and the freedom to access elections. So we have parties on the extreme left, on the left, on the right, on the extreme right, on the central left, on the central right, who defend animals, who are vegans... This freedom does not exist in Russia and you have as proof the last elections.

    Just FYI, every day I read two newspapers, one right wing and one left wing, I like to compare the approach to the news and come up with my own THOUGHTS.

    The USSR was not a capitalist economic system, but a communist one and I won't elaborate any further. If you want to know the difference, there are many books on those subjects.

    As you rightly said, the USSR no longer exists, but I thank you for supporting my arguments when you say that Russia is indifferent to trade unions and workers, because such things happen in dictatorships. Thank you for claiming that Russia is a dictatorship.

    Regarding the yellow waistcoats in France, I can only comment that their freedom was to be able to demonstrate although with excessive violence, and that same freedom is totally denied in today's Russia, although you can call it Russia or the USSR, it is exactly the same, even today.

    Returning to the initial topic you should read the following article, it is very interesting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
     
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  12. Prinsen

    Prinsen Trusted Member

    Yeah, it's very worrisome. I feel like before it would only be older people influenced by it, but now kids/teens on Tiktok are also victims of Russian propaganda.
     
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  13. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    I agree with all you said but one thing: USSR being communist. It wasn't. It was an oligarchy.
     
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  14. vladislav

    vladislav Trusted Member

    One more time. There is a struggle for resources a competition who is the leader and who is the lagging behind-the rules of lfe will be set by the winner .Lt s all in one system capitalism (yes,some countries are more progressive ,some are less) . There is no choice in the conditions of one system ,socialism and capitalism were different -different values, so there was a choice. Russia is bad , you think so- your right , let it be so , we ll get over it somehow . The discussion is over.
     
  15. borabora

    borabora Moderator Staff Member

    Right - if you think, that you don't want to participate in this thread any more - it's your free decision.
    Just to point out - this thread was not originally set up for discussion with you ...
    Therefore - I do not understand your brave command - discussion is over.
    Because - you are not in commanding position here in Forum - here is not Russia... :)
     
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  16. Polarbears

    Polarbears Trusted.Member

    You should give vladislav credit. The thread is about Russian propaganda. He is providing us with a fine example of Russian propaganda. :rolleyes:
     
  17. borabora

    borabora Moderator Staff Member

    Those Russian propagandists are nowadays everywhere, on different forums and just
    on newspaper comments pages, some have been educated in Yale and Oxford and are living in West.
    Of course, @vladislav lives in Russia, in Ural Region, by some good reason he is not
    fighting in war in Ukraine himself - but tries here to agitate people around a world, to start believe
    that their dictator VVP can win...
    That war is not a typical one > One Orthodox Slavic nation (Russians), under command that bloody maniac
    dictator Putin, is trying to destroy another Orthodox Slavic nation (Ukrainians) with the most terrible
    genocide, in the 21st century!
     
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  18. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    I agree with Polarbears, this was a good exemple of Russian propaganda xD
     
  19. Always-Learning

    Always-Learning Trusted Member

    I find it interesting that trump has been associated with so many undeclared agents of Russia. His campaign manager, his general Flynn, the guys that gave Rudy Hunter's laptop, the FBI agent who had evidence against the Biden family... and the list goes on. He even said we should expect he will use Russian intelligence to have an outcome on our election. Fox supported all his lies, until it cost them almost a billion dollars for one case where the lie damaged a company, and more to come. Perhaps it's not General Smiley who should fall on his sword but trump.
     
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  20. vladislav

    vladislav Trusted Member

    There is propaganda in every country .L m over 60 years old , but if l have to make a choice , l ll ake part, yoy want to end this conflict so much that you pour gasoline instead of water. Yes , every is not well in the Russian leadership ,but what s it to you this is an intemal from our country .As one of your presidents said, these are sooundrels they are our scoondrels . lf yoy want to discuss aii this , l don t minnd , just as constructively as possible without stamps.