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How is President Putin's popularity after the start of this war with Ukraine?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by AnonymousB2022, Mar 27, 2022.

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  1. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    Which "they"are you referring too? The instigator of the atrocities being perpetuated by a lunatic (Putin) or the victims or those that react to those atrocities? Yes the atrocities of the Nazis and Soviets may have been committed a long time ago, but the memory still lingers as fresh to many. I being one of them.
     
  2. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Just become a sociopath, and all the hate will just drift away.
     
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  3. Star_of_sea

    Star_of_sea Collector of ephemeral moments.

    Morality and ethics is what differentiates us, I will not say from animals, but from people who have no ethics or morals. Nazi leaders have been tried, various dictators have been tried and it is justice that makes us more human, putting a person on a fair trial where they can defend themselves. Morals and ethics are not only changeable, but also partisan. Just because many people have the same opinion does not mean they are right. Surely if you ask Putin and many people around him they would justify the attack on Ukraine, just as many people condemn that attack. That is why justice is necessary, so that an impartial judge, provided the accused can defend himself, can pass sentence. If we condemn Putin to death without a trial, presupposing that we have not only the possession of the truth, but what is much more important, the right to decide on his life by our ethics and morals, that opens a very dangerous door because there will always be a murderer, a rapist, a thief who according to his ethics and morals can justify his act. We will also have a just ethic stained with the blood of a lynching, which will take away all justice. If we defend the option of assassinating Putin because of our personal and partisan conception of reality, we would be no different from that dictator, we would be the same as him, we would reduce centuries of evolution of justice and humanity to an act of lynching more typical of people without ethics or morals. At no time do I defend his actions as a dictator, but I do defend his right to a fair trial and defence, a right that should be given to all people and thus avoid situations that would not correspond to those who believe themselves to be the sole possessors of right and wrong, whose ethics allow them to make decisions based on personal visions and decide on the life and death of another person. Justice makes us stronger as human beings, as a society. What Putin is doing in Ukraine is murder, barbarism, a lynching of citizens, but we do not have to be dragged down by his actions and be like him. Ethical and moral people do not want lynchings, we want justice. It is not the same thing.
     
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  4. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    Is any "judge" truly "impartial". My experience is that they are NOT. Justice, revenge are two words the are the same to some/most people.
     
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  5. Star_of_sea

    Star_of_sea Collector of ephemeral moments.

    Revenge is in the nature of the human being and justice is in fact the application of violence, but marked by rules, the laws. Justice is violent because it forces a person, by taking away their possessions (civil law) or by depriving them of their freedom (criminal law), to do something they do not want to do. In ancient Rome, where the concept of trial was born, the aim was to avoid the direct confrontation of two people and the violence that this entails, so that they had to find a representative (lawyer) who would deal with the issue in a more distant way and submit their reasoning to the decision of a third party (judge) without involvement with either of the parties. Over time justice has evolved to the present day, but the essence is the same, to avoid violent confrontation between two people who believe themselves to be in possession of the truth and that the parties, protected by this belief of possessing the only truth, carry out violent actions. To ensure more justice there are appeals to higher courts, but there are always mistakes, justice is not perfect. In any case, an imperfect system involving several courts with different judges where the whole judicial process is studied from the beginning will always be preferable to the partisan anger of a group of people with a lynch mob.
     
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  6. Eugen

    Eugen Trusted.Member

    What you have described is a bookish truism. And in life, whoever has a bigger wallet, the judge listens to him.
     
  7. Star_of_sea

    Star_of_sea Collector of ephemeral moments.

    I understand and understand that you don't agree with my words, but at the very least respect them. If you want respect, you must first give respect. Personally I think that the expressions you used were not very accurate. I don't know what your profession is, but mine is to study law so that I can dedicate myself to that job for the rest of my life. On the other hand, I have an uncle who has an important law firm and I will work there when I finish my studies, I have visited him, I have seen many legal cases and my uncle has already instructed me in different legal matters. I don't know what your personal experience with the world of justice will be either, my personal experience is that I firmly believe in justice and perhaps a judge would be influenced by a wallet, although I doubt it because being a judge in Spain means many years of study and sacrifice, but it is more difficult when you can appeal the sentence of that judge to other higher judges. On the other hand, if you don't agree with a judge's performance and you think he or she is influenced by the wallet of one of the parties, at least in Spain, there is the Consejo General del Poder Judicial (General Council of the Judiciary) and one of its functions is to study complaints against judges. And I can assure you that they have even dismissed judges of the Audiencia Nacional, a court that has a lot of power at the national level. I insist, once again, that you choose your words better next time. Thank you.
     
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  8. Star_of_sea

    Star_of_sea Collector of ephemeral moments.

    Just to tell you that in Spain one of the subjects we study is Roman Law, for several months, to find out what justice was like in ancient Rome, the cradle of today's trials. And another subject is History of Law, which deals with the evolution of trials from ancient Rome to the present day. We also study the political system (Political Law) of various countries in Europe and the United States, as well as their judicial system. Maybe I'm just envious, but I think I know a little bit about what I'm talking about and I'm not just spouting truism.
     
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  9. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    I disagree. Why waste all of someone's time and money for the life of a murderer of children?

    He should be caught, tried and executed when found guilty of Crimes against Humanity.

    The security personel costs alone who be astronomical if he was just to be imprisoned.
     
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  10. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    Your quote; Justice, revenge are two words the are the same to some/most people

    Is not the same but to a few who do such things as "honor killings".

    Most understand that "revenge" has nothing to do with "justice".
    Even when the justice involves the execution of a person.

    The current judicial sysyem in any of the democratic societies does not allow "revenge" to be part of the verdict.

    An execution is not "revenge" but a punishment that fits the crime. And it is not "an eye for an eye" punishment. That would be revenge.

    The execution of a person who had murdered another, or others, is not only based in religious law, but secular law too

    In the religious aspect, we are created in God's image, so when a person murders another, they have done the worse physical sin
    of all. They have tried to destroy God in part. That requires that person to be executed so that they never have that chance again.

    In the secular, execution is the only true and 100% way to make sure that person never has the chance to murder again.
    Thereby doing "justice" for all other living people. Take out the known killers, and you have less killing. Logical.
     
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  11. Star_of_sea

    Star_of_sea Collector of ephemeral moments.

    I did not explain myself correctly. What I meant to say was that justice is also violence, but it is civilised and law-abiding violence, not arbitrary violence. Justice is violence because it forces a person to do something he does not want to do, such as seizing his property to pay a debt or giving up his freedom for a crime he has committed. However, the violence of justice is completely different from the violence in a lynching, because in a lynching the focus is on unleashing anger and revenge. A lynching does not seek the truth, but only wants to find reasons to justify the violence, even with an incorrect and non-objective representation of the events that took place and with bizarre manipulations. Justice, however, although it may not achieve it completely, seeks the truth of the acts it is judging, seeks equitable compensation for a crime committed, evaluates mitigating factors and studies situations in all their ramifications, not only the parts that are of interest to it in order to motivate and condemn a person in a sentence.

    As far as the death sentence is concerned, it is an act that a society should never allow, there is nothing just about it and I personally consider it barbaric and a misrepresentation of the concept of justice. Fortunately I live in a country and even a continent where such capital punishment is not valued at all. Studies on the influence of the death penalty show that the existence of the death penalty does not reduce the number of murders, massacres or shootings, so the supposed deterrent does not really exist. In countries where it does exist, there have been cases where people have been sentenced to death and, after execution, are found to be innocent. We have no justification for executing a person, regardless of their crimes. We could look at the case of Israel abducting Nazi leaders in different countries around the world, but to be transferred to Israel, where they have the right to a fair and public trial. We must not forget that the Jewish ancestors of the Jews living in Israel died in Nazi concentration camps in numbers of 6,000,000, dying painful mental deaths and with skeletal bodies that we have all seen in photographs. However, they were not driven by anger and revenge, it would have been much easier to simply shoot a Nazi leader on discovery, but they went to all possible lengths to ensure that these people were given a fair and public trial. It is an example we should bear in mind when we think about lynching or executing another human being. A person is not only important when they get carried away by anger and participate in a lynching, but they should also think that this act will accompany them for the rest of their life, this act will take away any humanity they may have and this act is a first act to open the door to other more everyday acts of violence, because a justification and manipulation will always be found as a reason to justify hatred, anger and revenge, a justification can always be found for a lynching.
     
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  12. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Disproven. Those labs were proven to be Soviet Era labs that were being DECOMMISSIONED.
     
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  13. MilaHot

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    Yeah, all the 'bio-labs in Ukraine' are Soviet Era, they are Russian.
    But Russia likes to pretend they are American, because they want to use bio-weapons against Ukraine soon
     
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  14. Gramps

    Gramps Trusted.Member

    He must be a fan of incest or perhaps lives the lifestyle with his daughter. You cannot voice an opinion there but Russia produces a ton of incest porn!
     
  15. MilaHot

    MilaHot Account Deleted

    I wonder how's Putin's popularity now that their airbase in Crimea was bombed by Ukrainians
     
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