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Elon musk

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Pipeweedjr, Jun 24, 2020.

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  1. LuckyDuck

    LuckyDuck Trusted.Member

    I've never known much about Amber Heard until the defamation trial of her with Johnny Depp, and what has been publicized about the hearing details. She might be pretty, but I wouldn't touch her within a ten-foot pole radius...LOL! She doesn't come across as a very nice person to be with.

    As for Elon Musk, I like his work ethic, has a brilliant mind. A lot of people have helped him to the top that don't get the credit that they should. Somehow he is succumbing into believing his own press and letting his guard down. Other than that, I can't say much.
     
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  2. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    Here's the trailer for the new 'Tesla' film - I've read that it's good.

     
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  3. Brazilianman

    Brazilianman New Member

    I think he's just another parasite trying to look cute.
     
  4. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    What do you mean by "trying"? For that matter, what do you mean by "cute"?
     
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  5. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    His company Tesla is building 'Giga Factories' all around the world - so far they have them (or are building one) in California, Texas, Nevada, Shanghai and Berlin.

    The Nevada one will be energy independent, as well as being the 'largest building in the world'.

     
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  6. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    Here's some information that I'm just sharing. Agree or not with all of it, if nothing else it seems like a handy list of the issues. I'm learning as I go.

    Advantages of an Electric Car....

    1. No Gas Required: Electric cars are entirely charged by the electricity you provide, meaning you don’t need to buy any gas ever again. Driving fuel based cars can burn a hole in your pocket as prices of fuel have gone all time high. With electric cars, this cost can be avoided as an average American spends $2000 – $4000 on gas each year. Though electricity isn’t free, an electric car is far cheaper to run.

    2. Savings: These cars can be fuelled for very cheap prices, and many new cars will offer great incentives for you to get money back from the government for going green. Electric cars can also be a great way to save money in your own life.

    3. No Emissions: Electric cars are 100 percent eco-friendly as they run on electrically powered engines. It does not emit toxic gases or smoke in the environment as it runs on clean energy source. They are even better than hybrid cars as hybrids running on gas produce emissions. You’ll be contributing to a healthy and green climate.

    4. Popularity: EV’s are growing in popularity. With popularity comes all new types of cars being put on the market that are each unique, providing you with a wealth of choices moving forward.

    5. Safe to Drive: Electric cars undergo same fitness and testing procedures test as other fuel powered cars. In case an accident occurs, one can expect airbags to open up and electricity supply to cut from battery. This can prevent you and other passengers in the car from serious injuries.

    6. Cost Effective: Earlier, owing an electric car would cost a bomb. But with more technological advancements, both cost and maintenance have gone down. The mass production of batteries and available tax incentives have further brought down the cost, thus, making it much more cost effective.

    7. Low Maintenance: Electric cars runs on electrically powered engines and hence there is no need to lubricate the engines. Other expensive engine work is a thing of past. Therefore, the maintenance cost of these cars has come down. You don’t need to send it to service station often as you do a normal gasoline powered car.

    8. Reduced Noise Pollution: Electric cars put curb on noise pollution as they are much quieter. Electric motors are capable of providing smooth drive with higher acceleration over longer distances.

    9. Some EV are already fully automated and autonomous = driven by themselves. There is room for improvement, however.

    Things were looking pretty good until that last part, actually - needs some creepy organ music. [​IMG] [​IMG]

     
  7. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Cost of Tesla Model 3 standard range (220 miles) $35,000
    Cost of Tesla Model 3 enhanced range (300 miles) $54,000
    Cost of Tesla Model 3 long range (350 miles) $85,000

    Charge capacity Tesla Model 3 standard range (220 miles) 54kwh
    Charge capacity Tesla Model 3 enhanced range (300 miles) 62kwh
    Charge capacity Tesla Model 3 long range (350 miles) 75kwh

    Charging efficiency is 94% to 98% depending on setup
    Average cost per kwh in US 13.31 cents per kwh.

    Electricity used to charge 54kwh/98% = 55.1kwh X 13.31 cents = $7.33
    Electricity used to charge 62kwh/98% = 63.3kwh X 13.31 cents = $8.43
    Electricity used to charge 75kwh/98% = 76.5kwh X 13.31 cents = $10.18

    Average cost per mile for Tesla $0.03.

    Average mileage of gas powered cars 32 mpg.
    Average cost per gallon $2.55.
    Average cost per mile of gas powered car $0.08.

    Use of any features in a Tesla, as in lights, air conditioning, radio, will reduce mileage.
    Any uneven terrain, upward grades and curves, will reduce mileage.
    Battery capacity for Tesla will drop 5% per year for the first 4 years, then drop 10% per year afterwards.
    Average cost per mile for Tesla for 4 years is $0.05.
     
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  8. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    This is good stuff. And there's a '5-minute battery charge' thing that's out there like some holy grail.
     
  9. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    I forgot to add, replacement cost for the Tesla battery pack is $100 per kwh capacity. And they recommend you replace the battery pack after 20% degradation, which would be every 4 to 5 years. So if you drive 15,000 miles per year, that adds $0.125 per mile, so if you keep a Tesla for more than 4 years, the cost per mile is $0.175.
     
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  10. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    I believe the quick charge can only charge to a maximum of 80%. So you would only have 80% of your range.
     
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  11. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    Then there's the ecological impact of making the vehicles. Pollution generated mining and processing the raw materials for the batteries. Currently (no pun) it's Lithium. Once a battery pack is "used" up, how about the disposal? It seems that the life span of a battery pack is only 4-5 years, how are these "obsolete" models going to be disposed of? Since we expect major improvements every 4-5 years. If every car maker follows the electric route, I don't see much interchange ability between auto makers. How will weather play a role? In northern states and Canada, how will the batteries perform in constant sub zero temps, if at all? Both in the charging and running.

    Then there's the Pink Elephant in the room, Where is all this electricity coming from. there are only so many rivers that can be dammed to generate hydro-electric power. That's after all the environmental impact studies. Vast majority of power plants use coal or natural gas (turbine engines). All you are doing is substituting coal and methane for gasoline. With current catalytic converters, gasoline powered cars are cleaner than coal power. Wind power is unreliable. Solar panels are only 10% efficient. Again there's the ecological impact of producing those as for batteries. Then again, solar won't be viable above a certain parallel. Land of the midnight sun. Only during summer months. No sun for months at a time in winter. Either we start building more nuclear power plants or stick with what we have.

    There has been research into fuel cell technology using Hydrocarbon fuels. Such as methane (swamp gas, natural gas), ethane, propane and butane. Alcohol (various types - methanol, ethanol, propanol, iso-propanol and butanol) are being looked at. And if I recall, there is research into using gasoline, kerosine and diesel. Of course there is hydrogen (thanks to NASA). The drawback is distribution infrastructure for all of these. It already exists for gasoline, diesel and kerosine (in Alaska). Any one who uses an RV or trailer for vacations, already know about filling the propane tanks to run the stove/oven, water heater and fridge. Hydrogen would be a problem as would a NATIONAL distribution grid for the other gases.

    Hydrogen in an internal combustion engine only produces water vapor AND oxides of nitrogen, so a catalytic converter may still be required. And the other fuels used in a fuel cell would produce water vapor AND carbon dioxide. Humans produce that also when we burn sugar and fats for energy. If we could only create a fuel cell that functioned like the mitochondria. Even then mitochondria only operate within a certain set of temperature and pH parameters.

    Just my two cents for what they're worth.
     
  12. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    Tesla's EV competitor in China is Nio. They state : " Fresh battery swap in three minutes - Free for Nio car owners. "
     
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  13. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    One of the replies where I got the Nio video from was this :

    When it comes to the recycling of these batteries I see a huge disaster ahead.
    'Easy and Free' = 'Dump these Batteries into the Ocean'.
    Going green will wind up going super-toxic.​

    Another :

    For the price I'm going with horse and dog power maybe train the cow to pull as well,
    and going back to a less distance commute to my farm field and neighbours that I can trust.
    For the price of an electric car you can buy a small piece of land and the things you need to live on it and go from there.​

    She's a Canadian.
     
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  14. Rubber Ducky

    Rubber Ducky Trusted.Member

    Guys, guys, the question was "what do you think about Elon Musk"! The first page went fine, but at the third it's all about the cars :confused::eek:o_O

    Let me say something about the man. Yes, he is a bit eccentric. He has a vision, the will to persue and the money to do it. And it's an absulute Tech Nerd. If 10 years ago, I would state in 2020 Tesla would sell half a million electric cars which were actualy useful and you'd operate them like an iPhone, you'd all laugh at me. But it's done! He is doing the same for the Internet. You can now have decent (100MBits/s) internet in the Alaskan wilderness. So you can watch porn in the wilderness...

    To put it politely, most great minds are a little eccentric. Pythagoras (the one from the math books) had his own religion. Pythagoras' religion had two primary tenets: souls are reincarnated, and beans are evil. Not metaphorical beans, or metaphysical beans, but just plain, edible beans. Lord Byron (poet) did a Michael Jackson (a genius in music) : "Lord B's establishment consists, besides servants, of ten horses, eight enormous dogs, three monkeys, five cats, an eagle, a crow, and a falcon; and all of these, except the horses, walk about the house, which every now and then resounds with their unarbitrated quarrels, as if they were the masters of it."

    Michelangelo didn't wash himself, neither changed clothes. On the other hand, Nicola Tesla suffered from Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. So, for instance, where Michelangelo's personal hygiene was appallingly bad, Tesla's was appallingly good--cripplingly so. Tesla was a severe germophobe and refused to touch anything bearing the slightest hint of dirt. Tesla also refused to touch anything round, which makes some quite obvious hurdles for an engineer.

    But those eccentrics gave us art, literature, music, math, physics, röntgen, the car, steam engines, the iPhone and now a Tesla car. So we've got something to read, to listen to, to be cured from, to go somewhere where we've never been and to keep the world in our pockets. :)
     
  15. Maxwell

    Maxwell Trusted Member

    He's a charismatic character and entrepreneur but I won't call him smart or brilliant, nor a good guy.
     
  16. OrcKid

    OrcKid Trusted.Member

    I've long suspected that he's secretly one of us, or at least aware of our plight and secretly supporting our cause.... since a lot of what he's doing is indirectly supporting our rights, but that's something for another time.... really curious to see how SpaceX, Neuralink and not at least Starlink is going to affect the world though!
     
  17. Dracoa

    Dracoa Trusted.Member

    Not the man himself, but during the Texas freeze, my mom and I passed where he's having the new Tesla factory built. It's just frame work currently, but our first thought was that it was the Tesla factory, but we weren't sure, so I looked it up, and sure enough, that's where it was. Massive, multi-building, structures. I'd never seen a car factory before, and I guess I kinda still haven't, but the sheer size is... wow.
     
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  18. Rubber Ducky

    Rubber Ducky Trusted.Member

    Starlink is going to be huge. In populated areas you can have decent internet, but in rural territories you just as well could have no connection. Or pay massive for shitty service. So, Starlink is internet for the masses. The only bummer : it consumes 190 Watts. This is since the dish is heated. So one needs a good power source.

    The only ones unhappy are the astronomers. With an estimate of 40.000 low orbit sattelites their clear view is gone. Everywhere.
     
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  19. away

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    He's a conspiracy theorist in regards to coronavirus because of his innate immunity.
     
  20. Ds3fo4

    Ds3fo4 Trusted Member

    I really enjoyed His Chat with Joe Rogan
     
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