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Do you think consensual incest will ever be legalized in all 50 states?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by TNAV49, Sep 27, 2021.

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  1. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    It is genetic. They just didnt know it. In SMALL TRIBES? The bloodline mixes a lot and weakens. Eventually one of two things happen. 1. New Blood Joins the Herd (and quickly is subdued, sorry could not resist the Metallica line) and the genetic weakness is mitigated. Or? The bloodline becomes SO intermingled that bad recessives become prominent.
     
  2. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Actually genetics works itself out. Those with faulty genes die off. Lets say you're in a tribe and you have an exceptional daughter. Now everyone else in the tribe must contend with the father, any brothers, and then others that are close, before they even can associate with the girl. In a competition for making offspring, getting rid of the immediate contenders become paramount.
     
  3. /-..

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    > As I stated in another thread, it is very possible that incest will be acceptable World Wide in our lifetime.

    I'm curious as to what your reasons are.

    To me, none of the reasons for the taboo are fundamentally different; yes, we have birth control, but it's opt-in and not foolproof. There are still issues of power differentials, even putting aside issues of consent. There's still a high "squick" factor that is ingrained in most people by virtue of biology, and biology enforces the taboo via the Westermarck effect.
     
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  4. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    I did a PM for invite to discussion current ongoing Conversation for reasons asked about.
     
  5. Miss de Sade

    Miss de Sade Trusted Member

    As long as Christian religious morality is strong it is not.
    People are deceived.
    Sometimes priests are the most unscrupulous.
    If religion were to cease, it would be easier.
     
  6. trisha9187

    trisha9187 Trusted Member

    if religion were to cease, a LOT of things would be easier. ha!
     
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  7. HaloMaster

    HaloMaster Trusted Member

    true, i feel like alot of social issues would be solved if religion didnt keep getting in the way
     
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  8. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    Keep getting the way how??, Like for stealing, murdering, Lying, etc. you know, like the 10 Commandments stuff?
     
  9. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    That Gay Marriage being a SIN has nothing to do with law. That individual life does not begin at "conception", legally, because the CHURCH said so years ago.

    My favorite, isolated case mind you, was the Wiccan Church who got denied a building permit sayingthe area was not zoned for religious temples. A Catholic Church was built a YEAR EARLIER a block away. The Wiccans were told when they called that out "WE ARE A CHRISTIAN TOWN SO WE GAVE THEM A VARIANCE! NOT YOU! TOO BAD!".
     
  10. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Without the influence of the Christian Church, modern Western Culture would most likely resemble Ancient Rome.
     
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  11. Dane

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    The "CHURCH" as you call it, if you mean Christianity, I am presuming that is what you mean, is only expressing that life
    begins at conception. I don't give a flying fuck what anything is said about it when "legality" is injected.

    Any one with any sense of morality understands that a life begins at conceptions. Not just only when it can survive
    on it's own. No matter what "church" or religion states it.

    If "life" only begins at birth, or at the development when it can survive outside the womb,
    as the Pro Choice people claims, then everyone who is on Life Support at the hospital is not "life".

    If abortion is legal because the law of man claims an unborn being isn't "life" as it can't survive outside the womb,
    then it should be 100% legal to kill anyone on Life support as they don't fit the definition of "life" per the claims
    of the Pro Choice crowd.

    It isn't about religion at all. It's about whether one has a correct moral sense of what constitutes a civil human existence.


    You, above all members here, knows that would not stand up in court, no matter the level of legal court, even at
    the first tier of a local court.

    So just because some ignorant local government board or official does something unlawful, doesn't add to your
    arguement at all.
    You know that.
     
  12. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Liberals don't understand the meaning of Morality. They feel since they don't understand it, they don't have to follow it. They know what the definition of Morality is, they just don't think its important.
     
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  13. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, on the first part. Take sperm and an egg. Put it in a tube. Dont give it outside nutrients. Dont "incubate it". See if it develops "independently" as "common sense" and "morals". We live in a world of LAWS not morals. And just to add, when someone is incapacitated and the doctor says "They likely wont live without the machines"? Next of Kin is asked "should we continue". And they can CHOOSE to or not.

    As to the second one? It actually did stand in the town council and local court. The judge had the stones to say basically the same thing. "We are a CHRISTIAN TOWN.". It failed (over 100k in legal fees later) in State Court. Because religion was more important that law.
     
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  14. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Conservatives complain about teen pregnancy rates. Then INSIST health class be "Abstinence Only". Support situations where the only pharmacies within 1/2 an hour will "only sell Birth Control pills TO MARRIED WOMEN" or dont sell them at all for "moral reasons". Same Conservatives support same pharmacy owners who refuse to sell condoms to teens or at all. None of those are "morals" they are "church teachings that Birth Control is a SIN" and "Sex before Marriage is a SIN".
     
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  15. ILoveMyMom

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  16. Dane

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    I have talked with many pastors of Christians churches. None of them have ever said, or agreed, that "abstinence only"
    was anything that only be taught in teaching sex-ed.

    They do insist, that abstinence be taught as the best way of one's sex life before marriage. They are not
    stupid and they fully know almost everyone has sex before marriage, they just don't want it skipped,
    and like in my classes of sex ed in a public school, abstinence was looked upon as a joke, not to be
    taken into consideration at all.

    The "Church" does not teach birth control is a sin.

    The RCC teaches that. And they are not the "Church" no matter what they claim.
     
  17. atomicmango51

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  18. /-..

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    The plural of anecdote is not "data".

    Then why insist on it in the face of reality?

    By the numbers, the RCC is the largest branch of Christianity, with about 1/3 more global members than the Protestants. If anyone has claim to be "the" Christian church, it's the RCC.
     
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  19. Dad's toy

    Dad's toy Trusted.Member

    As long as the fucking puritans are running thigs never gonna happen.

    toy
     
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  20. Dane

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    My statement.
    "I have talked with many pastors of Christians churches. None of them have ever said, or agreed, that "abstinence only"
    was anything that only be taught in teaching sex-ed."

    Is not an anecdote and is not funny. Yes it is "data" that I have obtained myself from Church Pastors and the Principals of Christian Schools.

    Why insist that Darwinism be taught if Creationism is taught? That's what those who think like you did.
    So why is Abstinence, which is the ONLY 100% effective birth control and protection against STDs, as you stated,
    against the "face of reality"? and not to be taught along the use of birth control?

    Why is the claim of the RCC as the Only True Christian Church a valid claim because they have the largest numbers of
    any ONE Church? Of the admitted Christians in the world, the RCC is 1/3 of the population. You conveniently left out
    that means 2/3 of the Christian Church IS NOT of the RCC.

    So the claim of 2/3 would override the claim of 1/3 if in your reasoning was to be applied. Therefor making your statement invalid.
     
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