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Do you believe in climate change?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Hatham, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. FullyBaked420

    FullyBaked420 Trusted Member

  2. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Welcome to the fantasy world of some of our not fully baked members. :rolleyes: :D
     
  3. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

  4. Charles Fourier

    Charles Fourier Proud incest advocate

    The CO2 concentration went from 315 ppmv in 1958 to 399 ppmv in 2014, a much faster variation than any known historically: stats show an important raise of curve linked with industrial revolution and massive use of fossile energy. And I’m not even talking about the other greenhouse gases: methane, nitrogen oxides... that often have a even more important effect on climate, some of them only produce artificially by humans. But of course is not the fault of humans?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeling_Curve

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere#/media/File:Carbon_Dioxide_800kyr.svg

    The increase of average temperature is also important, as proven by many concording ways: historical chronicles, dates of harvest, dendrochronology, later thermometer measurement series... and now even more scientific method with ice core. No other factor can explain this increase: no more solar spots, no variation in volcanism... The climate is changing naturally, it is true, but thanks to measurements on ice cores, we have been able to reconstitute the Earth’s climate over millions of years, we know no such rapid evolution: among the ten warmest years since 1900, nine belong to the 21st century: 2020, 2018, 2014, 2019, 2011, 2003, 2015, 2017 and 2006.

    Even before we know about climatic change, men already have mess up with athmosphere. CFC gases contribute to ozone depletion in upper athmosphere, creating a hole in the ozone layer. Fortunatly, rapid international reaction to ban those save the day: we have to do the same with greenhouse effect gases.

    Those two cases, among others, prove that as some geologists said we are now in anthropocene, a new period where humans become a geologic force, changing face of earth, oceans and athmosphere.

    It is not a question of believing or not believing, there is objectively a global warming of human origin, it is a fact amply demonstrated by science. Nearly every scientist in the world agree with it and also most of the population of developped country (except America as always). Those who refuse this state of affairs put their personal beliefs before objective and scientific reality.
     
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  5. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Not that you'll get many to admit it, but I think it's more likely that they put their own financial well being ahead of the human race.
     
  6. Incs

    Incs Account Deleted

    Your claim of humans only contributing 1% to CO2 in the atmosphere is wildly incorrect. The increase over pre-industrial levels is about 50% (278ppm vs 417ppm). That's about 1/3 of the total CO2 in the atmosphere. We know that human activity accounts for pretty much all of that increase. Of course, naturally occurring CO2 has an effect on temperatures. Without that CO2 it would be more than 6 C colder at equilibrium. We haven't even reached the new temperature equilibrium for 417ppm yet because oceans absorb a lot of the excess heat, warming rapidly while bubbling even more CO2 into the atmosphere. We are already at about the point where a 1.5 C increase in average global temperature is inevitable, even if we immediately stopped all CO2 emissions (we won't). 1.5 C is bad. If we don't act fast and decisively, it will be a hell (pun intended) of a lot worse.

    Doesn't it bother you that skeptics of man-made climate change pretty much all have one thing in common: they are not climate scientists!
     
  7. Charles Fourier

    Charles Fourier Proud incest advocate

    And that's even not tacking into account that some of greenhouse gases produce by humans had been store in forest, ocean and as such don't go to athmosphere for now (it can change: humans cut forest and a warmer ocean absorbs less CO2 and can eventually release it, also take more volume submerging coast where live a lot of population).

    CO2 isn't only a problem for climate: it make ocean more acid and can therefore cause problems for marine fauna and flora, for example.

    As nearly nothing as been done yet to reduce gases production, we orient ourselves even to worst dramatic scenarii of IPCC, 5°C of average temperature increase in 2100.
     
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  8. MilaHot

    MilaHot Account Deleted

    But the environnment problems are not just global warming.. There's also the plastic islands in the oceans and many other things
     
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  9. Charles Fourier

    Charles Fourier Proud incest advocate

    And also biodiversity, species are disappearing at an alarming rate, we are facing a great extinction, but more serious and especially faster than those known.
     
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  10. MilaHot

    MilaHot Account Deleted

    True. Humanity is slowly killing everything else on Earth. We are like Locust, devouring everything in our path. Its bad. Humanity needs to change, and quick, or we'll be all gone in a century or two
     
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  11. whitecoffee1

    whitecoffee1 Moderator Staff Member

    @Charles Fourier and @MilaHot

    These are nice topics that you are mentioning here, but please try to don't stray too far away from the climate change topic.
     
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  12. Incs

    Incs Account Deleted

    I'm sure climate skeptics assume the same, just the other way round: in their world greedy climate scientists in search of research grants are trying to scare us with alarming facts so that they can take away our guns, force us into the wrong bathrooms, impose Marxism, send us to Gulags, and finally achieve their ultimate goal: drink our children's blood! Aren't we lucky that capitalist oil companies are altruistically going to save us from this fate! :D
     
  13. Charles Fourier

    Charles Fourier Proud incest advocate

    Most of them are just like "i would be dead anyway in 2100, so i don't care, let's make as much money as i can before disaster".
     
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  14. Charles Fourier

    Charles Fourier Proud incest advocate

    All this anyway is a conspiracy of pedophile and satanist democrats who gather in a pizzeria to run the world through puppets (according to Qanon theory that's it).
     
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  15. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Hey, you're not supposed to tell anybody that!!

    Anyway, enough fun. Back on topic please.
     
  16. Incs

    Incs Account Deleted

    Next thing you know and they'll legalize pervy stuff like incest! Oh, wait...
     
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  17. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    If you think man is like a plague of locusts on the Earth, like the self-loathing liberals do, why not
    Sorry, I don't agree with the liberal self-loathing you state.
    Mankind needs to change, no argument there.
    But we are not a "Blight on the Earth" as you state (We are like Locust, devouring everything in our path. paraphrased).
     
  18. AnonymousB2022

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    The planet's climate has never been stable. It has always been dynamic and, as we all know, these changes eventually reach extreme peaks known as ice ages. And in between these extremes we have thousands of punctual changes that, since the world is a world, have always occurred. And even if humanity were to end tomorrow, these changes would continue to occur. Marshes turning into deserts, deserts turning into swamps, rainy places getting wetter and dryer... It is hard to believe that what has always occurred now is only happening because of our fault. And even harder to believe that changes in our behavior can stop this process.

    The eruption of one large volcano can emit more gases than the emission activity of all the gases of an entire country for years... So this idea that our influence on the climate is so calculable, so precise, and so delicate seems to be a big lie. And it makes more sense that this terror around it is based only on geopolitical goals by the elites.

    Before, everyone was universally talking about global warming. Only it is possible to calculate such warming. So, if the world doesn't warm up as expected in the calculation, that leaves people's ears perked up... So, today people talk about climate change (here we have room for cold, heat, rain, drought, etc.). In this way it is literally impossible to get it wrong. Not because we can control the climate of the planet like we control a television with a remote control, but because things have always been this way here on earth. The climate has always changed. And it will always continue to change.

    People are conditioned to believe everything the media says. Or, everything the scientist slaves of the establishment say. But my knees don't bend to nonsense.
     
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  19. Incs

    Incs Account Deleted

    Of course, the global climate has always changed throughout earth's history. But there are two problems with this argument: the speed of change is orders of magnitude faster now than it used to be, and there were no humans around when earth previously went through extreme warming periods.

    It's fascinating how easily one can dismiss the work of thousands of scientists by calling them slaves. Last time I checked, and I have talked to actual NASA scientists, they seemed very free in their work and highly competent. What evidence, precisely, makes you believe they are being controlled by the "establishment", whatever that may even be? Don't you think that many of them would be speaking out if they were forced to distort their findings? This happens frequently in other industries, why not there? And wouldn't you need to collect and present your own data first to prove them wrong in any case?
     
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  20. AnonymousB2022

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    If you examine you see that there are scientists who are dissenting voices. And if you look at the counter arguments, they seem to make a lot more sense. And going back to the "warming issue" that I mentioned: this "prophecy" has been preached for many years... What is the name you give to when someone says that something will happen in a specific way and the thing in question does not happen as described? I don't know what you call it, but I call it an error (to be kind, at worst it could be called a lie anyway...).

    There are social forces that exert constant pressure on various sectors of society. And the academy is not free from this. I saw very well what, for example, happened in the United States on the occasion of the murder of George Floyd. Of course, it was absurd. But the media simply gave a democratic air to various episodes of vandalism. And in the university environment the same thing happened. Do you think that this is pure coincidence? The world is much more complex than you think... Ha, and in the media there are also slaves.