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Do you believe in climate change?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Hatham, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. Betullabond

    Betullabond Trusted.Member

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    So tell us all about the Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles, then....tell us all about Solar [sunspot] minimums, then, seeing you're the expert.
    Question: What percentage of the Earth's atmosphere is Carbon Dioxide?
    Answer: .04%. You know...that colourless, tasteless odourless gas...not carbon, no carbon is soot (that black stuff on a match when it burns).
    By the way 97% of that .04% is from natural causes. Oh and Nasa found twice the number of trees on Earth they expected. Why because industry burns coal and not trees for energy. Coal mining saves the environment.
     
  2. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

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    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

  4. Betullabond

    Betullabond Trusted.Member

    Yes, Ezra Levant is quite specific about this policy, too...when he said, what government is going to give up powers of control once it has taken them up?
    We are getting this in the "Peoples' Socialist Republic of Victoria" (Australia) under the Socialist Left Premier torvarishch Daniel Andrews. We've had four lockdowns...the longest lasted 4.5 months.
    80% of the Covid-19 deaths in Australia died in Victoria under his watch.
     
  5. Mama_Lova

    Mama_Lova *L O V E°

    hi, honestly well spoken (written), yeS.
     
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  6. Bierminister

    Bierminister Trusted Member

    I don't believe in climate change. It's media driven ...
     
  7. Betullabond

    Betullabond Trusted.Member

    The key word here is "believe" ~ belief is a matter of faith, not a matter of fact. The carbon in coal came from the atmosphere as trees forming the coal grew, all they're doing by burning coal is releasing back into the atmosphere.

    On a slight tangent about fossil fuel; nothing has done more to "save the whales" that the oil industry...we used to use whale oil for our industrial lubricants and lighting, now we use petroleum products. Petrochemicals have a number of uses including "man made fibres" - OK lefties, show me the man who ever wore shirt or the woman a pair of stockings derived from whale oil....
     
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  8. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    How so? I assume you mean you dont believe in Man Made Climate change. Climate Change in general is facts. We have undisputed scientific proof of Ice Ages and Melts.
     
  9. Betullabond

    Betullabond Trusted.Member

    I should clarify...I don't believe in man-made climate change. Climate change is normal and has always been and is driven by natural forces that predate human existence. I believe we are in an interglacial period and that eventually massive ice flows will once again reach almost to the equator.
    To me saying man is responsible for climate change is as ridiculous as saying the flatulence of the dinosaurs caused an ice age or drove sun spot activity.
     
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  10. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Most are not saying that. they are saying we are accelerating it.
     
  11. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    Then you agree it's inevetable, climate change WILL happen regardless of humans. Liberal rhetoric won't change that.
     
  12. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Whether or not I believe in Climate Change is irrelevant. What is of importance is that claims of the Climate Change Advocates are dubious and unbelievable because of truthfulness of their claims. Because of their constant lying, I will never believe anything they say, regardless of any evidence they produce. I don't believe those that are constantly crying Wolf. The Climate Change Advocates must fully disclose the Truth, all the Truth, before I would even consider listening to them again.
     
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  13. Betullabond

    Betullabond Trusted.Member

    Yes, but it always changes. You seem writing as if you're making the winning point of an argument with me. There is no argument and climate is not a crisis of any kind, least of all this AOC/Greta rubbish about imminent human extinction.
     
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  14. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Based on that response? It seems even if they did you would think there was "more to it".
     
  15. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    That is one side of the argument. Let me pose the other, just for kicks. It seems the same side who make that argument are the side worried about "Joe Blue Collar's" Industry being protected.

    Stipulate that it is all natural and we dont contribute.

    If they relax the rules on Coal Digging? The companies are likely not hiring 3 100 man shifts per mine to "mine it like Pop Pop did!". It will likely be mostly if not predominately blow the top, scoop it up, sort elsewhere. Or? Robots. And the people waiting out the coal mines to open again? Usually are not taleneted coders. Some are decent mechanics or engineers. But most are not. And wont actually find jobs in the new mines.

    We seem in the point in the industry cycle where we are too worried about protecting "existing companies and their existence" at the cost of progress. People railing about EVs. Becuase "What will happen to the gasoline industry" (not kidding, a real argument someone made in a business class where I teach). Before that? Cars would threaten the "horse and buggy industry". Electricity being genreated threaten the Candle and Whale Oil industry.
     
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  16. Betullabond

    Betullabond Trusted.Member


    I think you have false equivalence in your argument. I'll confine my concept of the open cut mining we have in Australia. It'd not just 100 man teams of miners involved here, but entire towns and in our case our entire economy. I don't get your "cost of progress" statement. Coal and oil is not a one unit for one unit replacement: how many candles would you need to light up Times Square in New York , or Tokyo city. How much whale oil would you need to power the electric trains of the expanding London or Paris underground.

    And that idiot, torvarishch Daniel Andrews in the "Peoples Socialist Republic of Victoria" thinks he's going to power our expanding suburban train network with wind and solar power. There is nothing to replace baseload power generation from fossil fuels.
     
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  17. Betullabond

    Betullabond Trusted.Member

    OK...who is this "most," how large is this "most" in number and what are their political affiliations?
     
  18. texasj65

    texasj65 Deviant Extraordinaire

    Climate change is a doomsday religion, used to gather money, control, and power. The virtue signaling idiots should all pull a heavens gate and lighten the load on the planet.
     
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  19. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    Climate change is real, always has been. Man-made? A minute contribution in my opinion. Look how the atmosphere
    recovers after a major volcanic eruption and volcanic vents that spews millions, if not billions of tons of co2 annually.

    What , imho, we need to do is to change our perspective on the future and quit trying to control the weather and start
    adapting to the changes.
    I find it a great folly that these global alarmist think we can actually control the systemic changes the Earth has made
    of itself since the beginning of time.

    Until we develop the technology of near 0% emissions, I'm sure the Earth can handle a couple hundreds years
    of man's industrial age since it has always handled everything else so far in its history of existence.
     
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  20. texasj65

    texasj65 Deviant Extraordinaire

    Take that shit to a different thread. The slide isn't needed or appreciated.

    Climate, by its very nature, changes. People with myopic views wonder why today wasn't like yesterday, or last year, or last decade. Climate trends are measured on a geologic scale. Mankind is hardly a blip on that scale.