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Conspiracy theories

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by MilaHot, Oct 7, 2021.

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  1. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    I must argue that this is not a conspiracy theory. You can argue that Flat Earth and a Faked Moon Landing are conspiracy theories. So what information do you have.
     
  2. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    You are correct. We are glad you agree with us that birds aren't real.
     
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  3. SB4ever

    SB4ever Trusted Member

    It was the telephone company.
    Oswald had a phone.
    So did Ruby... and Bush Sr... and Castro... and Khrushchev... and Gehlen... and J. Edgar... and G. Gordon, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Mitchell, Colson, Strachan, Mardian, and Parkinson. Bobby had a phone, so did Hoffa... and John Gotti had three.
    Just connect the dots... uhm, phone lines...
     
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  4. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    The term Conspiracy Theory is a conspiracy theory.
     
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  5. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Only theoretically.
     
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  6. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

  7. Inbred-Inbreeder

    Inbred-Inbreeder Trusted Member

    Exactly. People who say that age brings wisdom are often living proof that it doesn't.
     
  8. Inbred-Inbreeder

    Inbred-Inbreeder Trusted Member

    We hear that same rubbish here in the UK too. The Nazis were "socialist" in the same way that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is "democratic".
    It's like being famous - if you have to tell people that you are, you're not.
     
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  9. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Some argue that age does not bring wisdom. On an individual case this may or may not be true. But I find that education doesn't bring wisdom. I've met grad students that couldn't find their way out of a phonebooth. To be more precise its not age that brings wisdom, its experience that brings wisdom. You can grow old but never really experience anything so you don't gain much wisdom. You can be young and have gotten tons of experience and be very wise. If you get a group of young people and a group of old people, you will find the older group will be wiser than the young group. The only difference between the group being age, so age does bring wisdom and if you deny this you aren't wise.
     
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  10. TittyKitty

    TittyKitty Communudist Catgirl

    Mostly agree.

    I think wisdom is aided by LEARNING from LIFE EXPERIENCE. One without the other is holllow and ineffectual and does not lead to wisdom, and the amount one learns from their experiences contributes to one's wisdom.

    However, one can be wise without knowing much, as long as you truly know you know nothing. :)
     
  11. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Knowing that you know nothing, is the beginning of wisdom. Not its end.
     
  12. TittyKitty

    TittyKitty Communudist Catgirl

    indeed, I would posit that wisdom is a journey with no end. :)
     
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  13. Inbred-Inbreeder

    Inbred-Inbreeder Trusted Member

    I disagree. Understanding and learning from one's experience can bring wisdom, simply having experiences does not. A person may have a lot of experiences during a lifetime but if he/she does not learn from them they are of no value. Furthermore, the type of experience is more important than the quantity. A person may have a few experiences that have great potential for learning or may have had a lot of experiences that provide little learning value. The range of different experiences is also significant, but the most important thing of all is the ability to critically analyse, evaluate and learn from them. That is a skill set that is often lacking in people of all ages.
    An older person may have had a lot of experiences and may also be wise but that correlation is not causation. The X-factor is the ability to analyse and learn.
    I make no claim to be wise or unwise but I do deny that age necessarily brings wisdom. If I am unwise it is not because I recognise the self-evident fallacy of the assumption.
     
  14. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    You argue using individual cases while ignoring group trends. Yes it is possible to find a wise young person, yes it is posible to find an unwise old person. But looking at the entire population of young people and comparing it to the entire population of old people and measuring their total wisdom, it will be skewed heavily to the old side. Trying to make an isolated individual case to be you entire argument is literally drawing a graph using one data point.
     
  15. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    The Democrats (politicians and bureaucrats) are increasing inflation, disrupting the economy, and shutting down American manufacturing. They are taking away personal freedoms and increasing government power. At the same time, they are trying to disarm the population and change the voting laws. The Democrats are also trying to use the court system to disqualify anyone that isn't a Democrat from ruling for public office. The Democrats are trying to make the country into a One Party System with its citizens under complete control of the government.
     
  16. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    When Democrats appoint justices to the Federal and Supreme Courts, they are looking for judges that will advance the Democrats Agenda. When the Republicans appoint justices to the Federal and Supreme Courts, they are looking for judges that will support and protect the Constitution.
     
  17. JandO

    JandO Wifom/Huson Lifestyle

    Our universe is just a cell.
    Like the Buddhist saying "three thousand realms in a single moment of life"?
     
  18. Inbred-Inbreeder

    Inbred-Inbreeder Trusted Member

    Again I disagree. I am not "ignoring group trends", I deny that any such group trend exists in older people. My position is that there is little or no evidence to support the proposition that age brings wisdom.

    There is no objective measure of wisdom and no methodology for analysing any such measure, so a contention that it generally comes with age must necessarily be subjective and anecdotal. I am not drawing a graph using one data point, I deny that any such objective data points exist. It is not for me to disprove the contention, it is for those who claim that it is true to prove it with objective, verifiable evidence. That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed in the same manner. Please refer to Russell's Teapot.

    With respect, you seem to be proceeding from a proposition that you assume to be axiomatic when in fact you have no basis to assume that it is any such thing.
     
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  19. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Get those groups together. Guarantee more of the old people, unless you are handpicking people with actual training and experience? You will find in that group people who thinks you will catch a cold by not wearing socks around the house or by going out with "wet hair".

    The real issue is the world rapidly changed over the last 40-ish years.

    Examples? My father and many other Baby Boomers learned the hard way no one wants "a resume left at the desk" anymore. Everything. Is. Online. Now. Not "walk in, shake a hand, get an interview". I know many in HR who smile when someone comes in with a resume, tells them "apply online" then shreds the resume waiting for the "online".

    Most older people I come across who think they have "wisdom" actually just know, much of which is BS that the previous generations taught the previous generations, "how things were always done and what is what".

    If a new Law Associate comes into contact with an 80 year old housewife? Odds are they know much more about the ACTUAL Law than her. Regardless of her "Wisdom from her years of life". I see them ALL THE TIME. The old person who goes into court and almost ends up in contempt because they think that movies, stories they heard, people they know, and Perry Mason make give them wisdom. While the 2nd year associate knows how to act in court. How to present a case. So many summary dismissal on suits by old people. Because they go in thinking they file a suit and then get to demand access to everything to prove they have a case. And the 2nd year associate sees this and files for summary. And wins.
     
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  20. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    His argument, boiled down, is that education means little. But being "older than the other person" means you gained actual knowledge on everything because "I lived more years".
     
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