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Are these abortion laws really "State's Rights"?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by buffyfan, Jul 19, 2022.

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  1. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    State's Rights, to me, is? Using TX as an example? Assumptive here is that instead of quoting each state separately TX passed all these laws for argument sake alone. "Within the confines of TX? Abortion is banned. Doctors in TEXAS can be sued. Or prosecuted."

    Not "Any resident of Texas, anywhere on Earth is bound by this law. And a Doctor in NYS can be sued in TX court for preforming an abortion, in NY, for a TX resident!" Or, "And it is illegal for TX residents to get one anywhere else either. Criminal penalties if they get one outside this law in another state. And we also state that we can press charges against the Doctor, out of state, in our state!".

    They removed, rightly or not AND DO NOT DEVOLVE INTO A ROE ARGUMENT ON THIS THREAD DAMN IT!, Roe on a State's Rights argument. State's Rights ARE NOT, repeat NOT, the right to impose laws in your state on the other 49 because you "write it down and pass it!".
     
  2. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Thinking about that. In a way, it mirrors Canadian law.
    Example: We passed a law, with the best of intentions. It states that if a Canadian citizen (or permanent resident) goes to a foreign country and commits an act which would be illegal in Canada, that person may be prosecuted upon returning to Canada. This was done to catch those who liked going to Thailand and molesting [edit]. Like most laws, it has been used for purposes of which it was never intended.
    Is Texas not doing the same thing?
     
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  3. Rubber Ducky

    Rubber Ducky Trusted.Member

    I don't think so. Texas in this case tries to prosecute their citizens for doing something that's perfectly legal somewhere else, whilst being somewhere else. 250 km/h on the German Autobahn is perfectly legal. Hell, someone opened up a Bugatti and recorded 417 km/h. He was a foreigner and German authorities looked at it and let it go. It would be very weird if his own country would then prosecute since 417 km/h would be illegal in their country.

    Those Canadians were a bit stupid. If someone would be so stupid to molest [edit] in Thailand, extradict him with the case file to Thailand. They have got something nicknamed the Bangkok Hilton and I assure you, you won't like to be there.
     
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  4. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    That's hardly fair. We passed the law because the Thai's were not doing anything about it.
     
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  5. Rubber Ducky

    Rubber Ducky Trusted.Member

    I was in the assumption the Thai were on it, I found a source which states 35 cases in the past 20 years. Those were only the well documented ones. But if there was a time where someone could molest a [edit] without punishment from the Thai government, prosecuting them in their home country is a solution.

    The other problem (or reason for it) is the surplus of homeless [edit]. Their situation is extremely poor.
     
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  6. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    When she says molest? She TECHNICALLY means that their AoC is LOW, or was. And they are saying "you cant go to Thiland, just to have sex with an........" (this argument is super hard to explain without being able to use numbers!) and "Canandian law states.". They are called Sex Tourism laws and exist for most 1st world nations.
     
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  7. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    It doesn't matter the laws of other countries when it come to the molestation of an innocent.

    No matter the government's ability, or inability, to pass/enact or prosecute those who harm someone sexually (no matter the age)
    it is considered a crime by everyone who has any sense of respect of human life.

    Even those countries with the religions that put women as a "second class" citizen, know that sexual molestation of [edit]
    is against all and any sense of what constitutes human life.

    So pussycat's quote, even though the Canadian Law could, and may be, used for something other than what it was intended for,
    is 100% correct about the Texas Law. It too, though passed with good intentions, may/can/will/was used for something else.
     
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  8. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    So, again without numbers, this is hard. Those laws say, in effect Canadian laws say AoC is AoC. Where as Thailand says it is delta AoC. And at delta AoC you can sell yourself. But since AoC is the rule in Canada. AoC is the law for Candians everywhere. That would be equivalent to CA having AoC A. NY has AoC B. CA writes a law that B is illegal in NY for A.
     
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  9. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Dane, you should know better than to post that on this site.
     
  10. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    The U.S. has a similar law, a U.S. Citizen is subject to U.S. Law no matter where in the world they go. They did give the example of going to Thailand or similar place to have illegal sex.
     
  11. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    A lot of this was caused by Do-gooders and unintentional consequences. There was a movement to shutdown or eliminate Sweat shops in these underdeveloped countries. The companies were forced to pay higher wages, or close down, and to employ only older workers. With their only source of income barred from them, they turned to sex trafficking in order to feed themselves.
     
  12. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Texas enacted this law after the Liberal government in three other states , enacted unrestrictive abortion laws up to and including birth. Like Liberals like to say, Words Have Consequences.
     
  13. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Which states? Link the laws. Not videos saying it really is. Not articles. The laws. Because NY does not say that. That was one A-hole in one committee who was then told to sit down and shut up.

    And even if they did? That makes a law "state's rights" to say "out law applies in all 50 states when a TX citizen is involved."?
     
  14. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    New York Abortion Laws
    https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PBH/2599-AA
    https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PBH/2599-BB

    Law giving legal protection to live birth babies was repealed
    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/public-health-law/pbh-sect-4164.html

    Defining Health of Mother
    https://www.liveaction.org/news/abortion-life-health-mother/

    The law initial states that abortions after 24 weeks are illegal unless the health of the mother is involved. But the health of the mother is so broadly defined that almost any reason agreed upon between the mother and doctor is sufficient to abort the baby. Since the baby doesn't have any legal rights except through a natural birth, a living breathing baby, outside of a mothers body can be terminated by the consent of the mother.
     
  15. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    Folks. As I said, we are arguing about laws where we cant use relevant data to make it. We should likely stop the AoC portion or have an Admin approve a ONE TIME exception to the number rule for that law argument alone. I would say we should just stop the AoC portion. As without ages, it is just wonky.
     
  16. Rubber Ducky

    Rubber Ducky Trusted.Member

    I do agree, arguing on the subject is like tiptoeing between forum rules.

    I'll unsubribe from this topic before something gad happens :eek:
     
  17. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    The rules concerning age is relaxed somewhat in The 100 club.
     
  18. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Let's keep politics in the politics forum.
     
  19. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Well, they just had a vote in Kansas that sure as hell backfired on the "right-to-life" assholes.
     
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  20. TittyKitty

    TittyKitty Communudist Catgirl

    Perhaps there's hope for Kansas after all. I know a "refugee" from there that I helped settle in Australia ;-b
     
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