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Trump Budget Makes It Official: You're Paying For The Wall, Not Mexico. Another promise broken

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by incest fetish, Mar 18, 2017.

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  1. incest fetish

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  2. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Moderator Staff Member

    I tend to avoid interacting with Liberals. They are immune to logic.

    I do however remember this question being answered by Mr Trump.
    As I remember, Mr Trump was quoted as saying that we might have to front some working capital.
    He plans to replace those funds with tariffs paid on imports from Mexico after he voids the inequity of NAFTA.
     
  3. incest fetish

    incest fetish BANNED

    That's still not making Mexico pay for it. Imports FROM Mexico are paid for by those who do the importing. Why not put a Wall Tax on everything the US exports TO Mexico? Is making a foreign nation pay an exclusive tax on items illegal? Why even build a wall? Won't they just come by sea, by plane, or tunnel under it? Explain to me why a wall is a great idea worth $4 BILLION dollars and things like Meals on Wheels are deemed "too extravagant", please.
     
  4. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Moderator Staff Member

    I do have a little question for you, incest fetish.

    You have described yourself in another post as being a "white AUSTRALIAN".
    Why would an AUSTRALIAN care about how an AMERICAN President plans to pay for something that DOESN'T AFFECT AUSTRALIA? I would think there are other issues that actually affect Australia that you could be complaining about.
     
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  5. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    So. I have an issue with the wall for 1 reason you listed. Not "we dont need it", so much as an "Effectiveness" issue. These people are kind of AMAZING at tunnels.

    Also, would there be a break for the rivers? Because there are water treaties based on those shared rivers.

    I kind of have not seen enough to know if this is viable or a waste of money. Because if it is only partially effective? Why spend so much. Do a fence. Put up "guard towers". Increase patrols.
     
  6. allison17

    allison17 Trusted.Member

    Didn't I see on the news we taxpayers have already paid 12 million towards the wall, not only that some of the terrain is going to be more costly because they have to figure out how to build the wall over it.
     
  7. allison17

    allison17 Trusted.Member

    Uh....um....does that mean we won't be interacting anymore. Kinda hard since we work together. :p;):rolleyes:
     
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  8. annab2

    annab2 Trusted Member"It ain't pretty being easy!"

    Will someone let me know exactly what is the definition of both Liberals and Conservatives are?​
    I thought we were all just Americans again!​
    No one should have a problem understanding that logic!​
    No more hyphens, they divide us!​
    American, American, American, American, American, American, American!​
    Republicrats & Democans alike there is no difference between Democans & Republicrats!​
    I can say with some certainty that foreigners call us all,
    AMERICANS!
    Whether we were born here or somewhere else and have legally obtained citizenship!​
    Geez, I really dislike politics and politicians, they always seem to have​
    their hands in our pockets!​
     
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  9. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Moderator Staff Member

    Not likely, the Wild Child is not a liberal.
    Your other personality may have liberal leanings but is nothing like our Radical California Liberals.
    You may remember that guy I banned for repeatedly posting links to liberal blogs and propaganda sites.
    In California he would be considered a wannabe by the radical liberals.
     
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  10. allison17

    allison17 Trusted.Member


    I agree sweety!!!!!!!;)
     
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  11. allison17

    allison17 Trusted.Member

    Truth is I just cane from a liberal state. Arkansas was always blue until Obama came along and it has been a red state ever since. Actually it started changing in Clintons last term. before that it was a true blue state. I can honestly say I voted for Trump. Don't know what is going to happen but I knew if my vote did not count it knocked out a vote for Hillary.
     
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  12. allison17

    allison17 Trusted.Member

    I think it's the duty to all people to vote even if they don't like either party. I still say it is there duty to vote. if they don't then don't go out striking and raising hell about the winner because the have no reason to bitch if they did not vote. Just my opinion.
     
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  13. annab2

    annab2 Trusted Member"It ain't pretty being easy!"

    I reckon that it is more of a responsibility, but a duty that I do proudly!;)
     
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  14. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    The literal meanings of Liberal and Conservative tend to the following. Liberals believe that as society evolves and situations changes new ideas and new methods should be used to deal and cope with the changes. Conservatives believe that ideas and methods that have worked in the past should be applied to any new situation. Ideally that should be the differences between the two philosophies, unfortunately the two camps have diverged from the true meaning of their names. Liberals have decided that they do not like the way things are and are determined to change society and the way society thinks even though there is no need for change. Conservatives feel that things are fine the way they are and resist changing society just to change it. Neither party are getting what they want so the Liberals are trying to force change whether society wants it or not and the Conservative will try to resist change no matter how much society changes. Its the classic "irresistible force meeting an immovable object" the more the Liberals try to change things the more the Conservative will dig in their heels and resist.

    I tend to agree with the Conservative stance so this part is more bias than the previous. The Conservatives are trying to resist change so if the Liberals stop trying to force change things will settle down and become more harmonious. Some changes are necessary but everything doesn't need changing.
     
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  15. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    To a point. The issue is, the voices and the people in power on the Conservative side dont want things as they are. They want the world to follow some imagined "How things WERE in MY DAY". Problem is we have written history and 90% of that was not actually happening. The best example is taxes. Modern Conservatives, of my generation (born Reagan or later), seem to think, in large amounts, that before now taxes were ALWAYS LOWER. That this is the highest income tax brackets EVER were.

    But my only real issue with Conservatives lies in the Gay Marriage issue. And no. It is not actually that it should be universally legal. It is in the use of State's Rights. But it is only State's Rights when they are out of Federal Power. When they are in Federal Power it becomes a "Pass laws defining Marriage as one man and one woman!". And the self named"Party of the Constitution" also seem to think that the Full Faith clause that says "A contract is a contract in all states" does not apply to Marriage because "OUR MORALS DISAGREE in this State".

    I also have "Fiscal Conservative issues". But that is more the following. Want to cut taxes. Fine. Lets use 1 as the tax income. we cut 5%? Budget below 0.95. And if revenue goes over cost? NO GD "ONE TIME REFUND TO ALL!". The problem is the Fiscal Conservatives play games. "Well 5% cut will OBVIOUSLY create 50 bazillion jobs lifting revenue 3000%. So we can budget off of that number.". Oh and the idiotic "We have extra MONEY? Lets REFUND IT." of 2004 or so.
     
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  16. Neophyte

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    I still think my original assessment still hold true. The Liberals are trying to push too much. If they would lighten up then a balance can be achieved. Change can occur when needed and currently working institutions can be left alone. Choosing specific instances is irrelevant, the schism will occur everywhere. Change should not be forced.
     
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  17. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    What are they pushing, specifically?

    Because going 2 posts back for you, you concluded boiled down "Conservatives should just have their way for now so things calm down".

    And please reply specific things the Liberals are pushing. Lets not go into the "Bad regulations" "Which are those" "The ones than hinder business" "Which are those" "The BAD ONES".
     
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  18. annab2

    annab2 Trusted Member"It ain't pretty being easy!"

    I tend to agree with the statement, "Not all change is good!" I do not favor people that want to ram their agenda and values down my throat! I don't want anything to do with Socialists or socialism, and flat out refuse to play negotiative games with those who are kindred to those ideas! I believe in a strongly defended America, with a mandated military service law, because too many citizens are unappreciative of our Republic! I am of the opinion that we should defend our ideals from enemies at home as well as abroad! I don't like Politicians or their games, they always seem to have their hands in our pockets, I believe in term limits, and all of the individual rights provided by the US Constitution, as it is! I believe in being a nation of laws, that are duly enforced with the exception of archaic laws directed at Incest! I believe in right and wrong and am for any religious belief that doesn't harm others! I don't think it should be necessary to affiliate with any political party! By birthright alone, I am an American and a First Nations person, with dual citizenship, USA-Canada! So, along with all US citizens, whether foreign born or legally immigrated to this nation. Listen up, I am your next door neighbor, I am an American!​
    Pssst! I believe in many things!:) For instance, being a good neighbor!;)
     
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  19. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    So, you seem to be "Fiscal Conservative" but socially more "lean left". My only issue with the Social Right is their perceived attempts to ram Christian Values down my JEWISH (lapsed to boot) throat.

    Socially, you should love who you love. And it does not violate anyone's Religious Freedom for gays to marry. Or two consenting adults to bang. Operative words. Consenting and adults. Want to marry 5 people? Have at it. You know the only reason that is illegal is the Christian Values, right?
     
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  20. annab2

    annab2 Trusted Member"It ain't pretty being easy!"

    Just Label me an American! I am for any Religion that values life! My idea of mandated military service comes straight out of Israel. Religiously, I am much more of a conglomeration, Judeo-Christian-American Indian, and I don't want to ram anything down anyone's throat. My values are dependent on the individual, not on how society classifies them. Hyphens hurt and divide people. We should all be equals in this country regardless of financial status. Let there only be good words between us, as so our work is shown! Independence is a virtue when mankind can share in its bounties! Our words are only, as good as, it takes to ensure and deliver our promises! The words are mine and my words of truth belong to time, honor, loyalty and thought, as these things are given from an honorable source. :)
     
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