For the Hillary lovers

Not that I disagree with that Gadget, but the other side seems to have a perpetual "In my day.........." going and thinking that things never change, ever. So how things were in the 1950s (taxes excluded of course) are fine for today.

 

Please don't let this escalate into a "person attack".

 

OK, a caveat - I live north of the border, in a much more progressive society, and I do truly believe that what happens in the USA is their own domestic business....until it has an effect on me.
So, an observation, not meant to attack or offend anyone, and not from me, but from the most intelligent and reasonable man I have ever known, my father:

the 50's sucked, and so did the sixties

This from a man who just turned 65. He was there. What he meant was, life wasn't that great. We are all (those of us fortunate to live in a western society) way better off than we ever have been in human history.

What I will say is - progress has its benefits. I feel lucky to live today, at my 35yrs of age, where I do. It beats the hell out of watching Howdy Doody.

 

But they want the social things from back then, ie. "Gays were not seen like they are today" while pretending Income Taxes are the highest they ever been at this moment. Because they had to be. A lot of older people work with what they want to be true and delude themselves that was the way it was. That lower taxes will make us prosperous and bring jobs back like the 50s and 60s. While ignoring that taxes were higher and the reason we did not outsource was not "lower taxes here" so much as "We have to pay ANOTHER TAX called tariff if I dont make it here". We have now lowered taxes and did away with those.

But the problem is, they make the good point. Then run off on a "and further more......." where they start listing things they did not have. And ignore that most were INVENTED after they were that age. Like a 60 year old saying "I did not have a cell phone until I was 35!" and then gets butt hurt at the disrespect of being told "Yeah. Because they were invented around then". Or the "We had ONE CAR when I was a kid" as if that is still the average in modern times. Or just the "in my day" dream that "back then someone younger than you showed you RESPECT". Meaning "Back then if an ELDER told you the sky was green you told them how right they are". A lot of "in my day" people are just pissed a new generation could not care ANY LESS if they have an age that is a larger integer. That they see wisdom in adaptation and actual knowledge. Not titles and "Life Experience makes me an expert on every subject".

It kills the good points when they pretend it is still their youth so that their statement is correct.

 

Maybe we need to do a comparison on life in the 60's compared to the life now.

In the 60's cell phones, video games, personal computers did not exist. Color TV was just becoming available. You bought music on vinyl records or magnetic tape. If you wanted personal moving pictures you needed to use 8 mm or 16 mm film. Several medical procedures did not exist.

In the 60's:
Buying a nice house took about 5 years salary.
Buying a car took about 6 months salary.
Buying a tank of gas cost 1 hour salary.
Buying 1 year of auto insurance cost 1 day salary.
Buying 1 month of food cost 4 days salary.
1 year at a university cost 1 month salary.
Buying 1 year of health insurance cost 5 days salary.

Now:
Buying a nice house took about 20 years salary.
Buying a car took about 1 year salary.
Buying a tank of gas cost 3 hour salary.
Buying 1 year of auto insurance cost 10 day salary.
Buying 1 month of food cost 6 days salary.
1 year at a university cost 5 month salary.
Buying 1 year of health insurance cost 20 days salary.

 

Average Canadian wage (2016) = $27.00/hr = $1080.00/wk = $4680/mon = $56160.00/yr

We will exclude the Toronto and Vancouver markets

Buying a nice house $320,000/4680 = 68 months
Buying a car $35,000/4680= 7.5 months
Buying a tank of gas $50.00/27 = 1.9 hrs
1 yr auto ins $840/27 = 31 hrs
1 month food $1000.00/27 = 37hrs
1 yr university $14,000/4680 = 3 months
1 yr health insurance = free

using these numbers, we should be way better off today, what hurts is.........

TAX

tax free day is now sometime in July

 

You have the average yearly salary at over $56,000, I figured average salary here at $35,000 and the costs of goods and services are not the same in the U.S. And you need to compare to what the prices were in 1960's.

 

Limp wrist captains? Like Picard? Riker? Captain Malcolm Reynolds?

 

Nice house? At an average 51k and 20 years, you are saying a nice house costs 1 million now? Not even in Downstate NY. So that one is off. 10-15 at best.

Car would be more like still 6-8 months. A year at average salary is a low end BMW or Vette.

A tank at 3 hours, same average would be 70-75 dollars.

Where are you paying almost 2 grand a year for auto. If you are I will give you a broker to speak to to get that down. Like A LOT. Average person makes almost 200 a DAY.

Food based on that would be almost 1200 for a week. I buy wholesale (from my bar supplier) so I dont know. But my food cost for my BUSINESS is barely 1200 a week.

University is about correct.

Health insurance is correct.

Now, HI is a large issue. That being that these companies stopped prioritizing Health in favor of "ROI for the stock and bond holders". When you are making HUGE profits, no. You dont have to raise prices. You only do that because you want to keep a rising YoY.

 

As I posted to Pussycat I was using $35,000 a year not $51,000.

 

Malcolm is the captain from Firefly/Serenity.

 

There are some Trump threads, but they are probably a few pages back.