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A change of pace

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by SecretWishes, Aug 20, 2019.

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  1. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    Most (nearly all) of the threads here are based on a highly charged topic...

    I thought I might cool it down a bit with a social opinion article I found quite amusing and goes with a bit of philosophy that many in my deep circles share.

    https://daily.jstor.org/the-importance-of-technological-change-in-shaping-generational-perspectives/

    I'm especially interested in what the more... senior people in here think. I haven't been around long enough to see the pre-super mass media age. AOL chat and reddit were just beginning during my time.

    -SW

    The Wheel of Time spins and what was once here will come again, but it won't be recognized.
    (I know I paraphrased that badly... shush)
     
  2. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Moderator Staff Member

    This type of thread is very likely to create age issues.
    Remember - No ages under 18 mentioned or IMPLIED.
     
  3. whitecoffee1

    whitecoffee1 Moderator Staff Member

    I decided to delete anything than indicated that. Sorry for that.
     
  4. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    It's a good article. There's not a lot in there that I would disagree with. I have said much the same thing, only I phrased it as "time is accelerating".
    But I fear that our technological advancements will be our own undoing. They have allowed us to live longer, and breed more successfully, and in doing so overpopulate the planet. An adjustment is overdue, whether by disease or famine, climatic change or war. My guess would be by pogrom.
    I look at my darling offspring and wonder just what world really lies ahead for her. I think generations may well meld back together simply out of self preservation.
     
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  5. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Moderator Staff Member

    You weren't mentioned. It is a general reminder based on the topic of the thread.
     
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  6. bigjeff

    bigjeff Trusted Member

    What worries me is the seemingly increased desire to divide ourselves. It seems that we have a need for a 'them' to place against our 'us'. Yes, each generation has different experiences, but do these differences have any real bearing on what we should think or are they just a convenient way to dismiss the thoughts and feelings of others?
     
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  7. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    I blame that more on the media, particularly the larger television news networks. They get their money by getting more people to watch them and in turn charge more to advertisers for commercial time. But as I said earlier in many other posts, American Journalism is increasingly Yellow... You would think they would have run out of piss-poor stories by now, but they seem to have mastered Sensationalism... no matter how wrong they are.

    Now that I think about it, we use sensationalism somewhere successfully as well:
    [​IMG]
    SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REALLY WATCHING!

    We're watching a circus act!
     
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  8. bigjeff

    bigjeff Trusted Member

    Completely off topic, but what anime is the gif in your signature from?
     
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  9. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    You should read the book "Future Shock". The article I think takes a lot of concepts from that book. I do not agree that generations are being shaped and divided by technological changes. I believe that the generational divide is being enhanced by a forced accelerated societal change.
     
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  10. bigjeff

    bigjeff Trusted Member

    Could you elaborate?
     
  11. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    I believe that changes in technology is less relevant factor in generational divides than is changes in society. Changes like going from an extended family to a nuclear family to a single parent family has more of an impact to each generation than Facebook or Twitter. It is more likely that changes to society created an environment where social media like Facebook and the others could succeed. There are also other changes in society that is causing the divide among the generations. Its not the actual changes in society that is causing these differences, but the speed that the changes are occurring. And the speed that the changes are occurring is not dependent on technologies like social media. Humans need time to adjust to the societal changes, currently the society of one generation is not the same society of the next generation, and this can cause conflict, a difference in societal values. If more time was allowed to pass between the changes to society then shared values could extend over multiple generations and less conflict would ensue.
     
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  12. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    I do not agree with you on one aspect. This "blending" of generational bridging is in fact fuel by the various social disrupters that exist today that even a few years ago didn't even exist. And as more disrupters are added, this distinction of generational gapping will only based on well... which physical generation were they born.

    And the thing of the social disrupters are is that no aspect of our lives are immune to disruption, or at least in first world countries.... and as the rest of the world gains more traction and access to these same technologies, they will experience a similar effect. The only difference would be: to what magnitude would the change be.

    This list isn't comprehensive or exhaustive in any way, but are just a few examples of social disrupters that many people take for granted all over the world. 100 years ago, these technologies weren't even conceived; 50 years ago most were still in their experimental phases and barely even heard of; 20 years ago most were hit critical mass; 10 years ago, most headed to technological singularity

    Airplanes
    Cars
    Computers
    Medicine
    Radio Communications (Not just talking FM radio here)
    Television
    Internet
    Smart Phones
    Social Media

    All of these have one thing in common. They all re-engineered how people behave. If any one of these were to be removed from human society today, there would be a mass level social collapsing in any of the 1st and 2nd world countries. 3rd world level countries would primarily see repercussions in the amount of support they would receive and in some of those cases, a collapse in social anarchy.

    It's from a fun Slice-of-Life Comedy called "K-on!" A fun 4-panel comic that became popular enough to get its own anime.
     
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  13. bigjeff

    bigjeff Trusted Member

    @Neophyte:

    What kinds of societal changes are you referring to? Could you provide some examples?

    @SecretWishes

    I'm not sure I understand what you mean by, "This "blending" of generational bridging." Could you explain?

    @everyone

    It almost seems like the old chicken and egg question. Which came first, technological change or societal change. At this point I'm guessing it is probably a little of both. I am wondering why the divide? With many of these changes, both older and younger generations experience the same changes.
     
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  14. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    The blending is that people born of different generations have the same disrupters available to them... In many cases, it's often difficult to determine when a person grew up just based on their behavior today. Without looking at my profile and just by reading my posts, would you be able to figure out when or where I was born? (In a reasonable timeframe... dig long enough and you'll find just about anything on anyone)

    There are so many cases of false/alternate identities that Facebook began a purge of confirmed alternative IDs and deleted millions of profiles. Even in here, I'm sure there are some people who shouldn't be here (minors for instance), but they haven't been caught yet. Some have been caught in the past couple of years, but I have no doubts that there are a few more lurking among us.

    It's this availability that eliminates the generational identity and has blended one generation of people with another to the point where it is difficult to distinguish one generation from another... The word "peer" no longer means those close in age to you (generally plus or minus 3 years).
     
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  15. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    I wonder if it is something as simple as our relative situations in life.

    When we are younger, we have invested little, and we are inclined to think of change as the facilitator of opportunity.

    But later in life, we have accumulated 'things', be they material or intellectual or emotional, whatever has value to protect. And change then becomes something to be wary of.

     
  16. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    An excellent thought... one I used to have a lot as well...

    But I found in my dealings with people, that a person's mind is as versatile and varied as there are stars in the sky.

    I have found people at all ages who think in one particular way or another. I know of a person who is in her 60's and she was chatting it up with someone who thought she was in her 20s... She found someone who was barely in his 20s and she assumed him to be in his late 40s...

    The point is that the behaviors of people now and days no longer reflect the... "stereotypical" mindset or school of thought of a particular generation... or even decade. A 20 year old can have the mindset of a "traditionally" 80 year old and it's acceptable in society in general. I cannot even count how many times I've seen people cheer when a senior person performs in something that many people in their primes could not do.

    The word "peer" has changed, and the phrase "act your age" hardly means a thing in many places. The number of those places will continue to exponentially grow until it is phased out as a typical statement, relegated to the pages of history as an "old saying" alongside many other historical catch-phrases...
     
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  17. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    Following the collapse of the Roman Empire, there was no noticable technological or societal advance for a millenia. In fact, society regressed. The only "knowledge" that existed was the closely guarded purvue of the Catholic church. Only they knew how to read and write, and they kept it in Latin. They essentially made all the laws and had an iron grip on the population. Innovative thinking was not only discouraged, it was punished. The result was that each generation differed not at all from its predecessor. If your father was a farmer, you were a farmer. That was just the way things were, and you didn't question it.
    In 1439, Guttenburg unvieled his printing press, and the Church just about had a cow. If people could get their own copy of a bible, they could learn to read it. And if they could read it themselves, they could interpret it themselves, and question it, and, well, you get the picture. It was the most dangerous invention in human history. And of course in 1517 that Luther guy nailed a piece of paper to a door and people read it and..........all hell broke loose.
    Communication. The dispersement and sharing of knowledge. One innovation led to another which led to another - which led to generational differences. Because each new generation was better informed, better educated than the last. And so you got conflict. Once again, those who had control wanted to keep control, and those who had newer and brighter ideas wanted to take control. And on it went.
    But the world hadn't seen anything yet. Enter the internet, and suddenly everyone, literally everyone, had access to all human knowledge at their fingertips, and now technology could explode exponentially. And it has. We have time accelerating. It is no longer generational differences. Each of us is at a disadvantage compared to the person who was educated five years after we were. Just to keep pace we must all continue to learn, constantly. And the truth is, most of us reach a point where we can't do it.
    As people age, they are looking in their rear view mirror, and they are terrified of being overtaken by the next wave. They become more and more conservative in their outlook, as they see it as the only way to slow down the oncoming wave.
    And as an act of desperate self-preservation, they elect.......
    you guessed it.
     
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  18. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    That sums up a lot of my thoughts as well... The notion of generation(s) no longer applies to people, but rather the time they were born. I don't remember where I learned it, but I found a technology report years ago that said there is more than an exabyte of new data made everyday. For those who don't know how big that is... 1 million terabytes of data.

    I'm kind of lost on your last lines though... "they elect......."
    Mind explaining?
     
  19. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    I think where we differ is in the cause of the social disruption as you describe it. You think that the disruption is mainly caused by technological changes and I think the main cause is sociological changes.
     
  20. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    The example I gave was the rise and fall of the nuclear family, but other societal changes in no particular order are the advent of communism and socialism, the LGBT... movement, feminism, civil rights movement, the welfare state, the rise of democratic governments, the SJW movement, political correctness, the rise of secularism, post modernism and many other changes that are occurring faster and in greater numbers in the present. Societal changes did not bring on the technological changes, but the societal changes made the technological changes successful and more acceptable. For example computers became successful because society changed and uses for that technology became more widespread. Television became popular because society changed and an in-home convenient form of entertainment became desirable. Why do some technologies become popular and others fade away into obscurity, why do some technological inventions gather dust for years then suddenly become popular, because of changes to society and the way people think.
     
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